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Subject: top 10 tanks in the world!!!
Hong-Xing    8/12/2003 9:07:05 AM
i think it would be this t-90 (rus) m1a2 (usa) t-98 (chi) m1a1 (usa) Challenger 2 (bri) t-95 black hawk (rus) al khalid (chi) merkeva (bra) arjun (ind) t-90||| (chi)
 
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Kozzy    RE:T80/72   2/13/2004 10:01:51 AM
The US was going to have light Cavalry, the M8 and the Thunderbolt except they got the ty MGS Strykers instead.
 
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Couac_Attack    RE:T80/72   2/13/2004 10:43:42 AM
mhh .. I dont agree with you, remember that during the WWII, the german had developped many tank tank type. And it the result has been a logistical nightmare, supplying problems ..; Whereas Americans and USSR with the sherman aznd the T34 had a unique medium tank. ( the first MBt certainly ). Now from the sherman, we saw several versions, that gave more flexibility to his missions.
 
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mike_golf    RE:T80/72   2/13/2004 11:31:21 AM
Couac, the US (and Russia) maintained other tanks besides the Sherman and T-34. Those were their predominant tanks. The German issue was not that they had light, medium and heavy tanks, it was that they did not select ONE of each to focus their effort on.
 
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Rubicon    RE:T80/72 different, mike_golf utilization   2/13/2004 1:10:18 PM
Ok. First of all I agree T72 and T80 are completely fdifferent tanks. Second, as far as utilization goes, the accent and it is still is mechanizing the infantry. Grunts no longer hump to the field of battle they get driven into proximity, unloaded and only then proceed to fight on foot with the support of tanks and armored vehicles as well as air support. Now for a fast paced strike or a reaction force using a heavy MBT would not only constitute a waste of valuable resources but also misuse of the equipment. MBTs are good for breakthrough through enemy lines, may be acting as a short time stoppage to neemy breakthroughs. One thing about tank warfare, they cannot sit still, especially not these days. Basically all it is is a moving artillery platform which can face and withstand frontline combat, air does not take ground nor does it hold ground, tanks may breakthorugh and hold a position for a short period of time, but the bottom line it's the grunts, infantry who take and hold the position for a prolonged period of time, especially in urban based combat conflicts like Iraq. Mobility constitutes survival in tank warfare, in Urban combat that mobility is limited. Now, the fast paced drive through down the main street of Bagdad is fine, which is what they did a few times before infantry actually took the city, but all it was was a fast paced drive through shootout. Were they to stop at any given area for a prolonged period of time, opposition, would have pulled up their anti-armor munitions and there'd be trouble. the bottom line is tanks can be used for lighning strikes against pockets of enemy resistance, but can ill afford turning into artillery, since they both lack the range to stay out harms way and present a clear target when not moving. I believe that pure tank battles, like that between the Germans and the Russians under Kursk in 1943 is the thing of the past. And again that was somewhat a coincidence, since both tank forces attempted a breakthrough relatively near each other and were forced to engage each other, resulting in the almost utter destruction for both sides.
 
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Horsesoldier    RE:T80/72   2/13/2004 3:28:05 PM
>>The medium, like the M60 now that replace the MBT when you cant use/bring them to the theatre.<< M60 was classified as a main battle tank. More to the point, the M60A3 weighs approximately 60 tons. With LeClerc weighing about 55 tons, I must say I don't quite fathom how a weight-based classification scheme would make the M60 a medium tank but LeClerc an MBT. More importantly, the M60 is no appreciably more deployable than an M1, Leo 2, LeClerc, etc. It is not a medium tank, it is an obsolete tank. I'm not certain, but would guess that the last US tanks to be classified as mediums were M47s or perhaps early M48s, back when you could compare and contrast that with M24/M41 light tanks and the M103 heavy. The term ceased to have much meaning in US military circles by Vietnam or so, when the Sheridan should have been labeled a light tank, but was instead technofied into an armored reconnaissance vehicle. The Us continues this mindset -- the late and lamented M8 armored gun system, the Stryker mobile gun system, etc.
 
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jacques    RE:Chobham 30yrs old? - Jacques   2/14/2004 5:14:45 AM
Bigger and heavier don't translate into better. A tank is a moblie gun platform it's not static bunker. A tank is a product of mobilty, armor, electonic suite and firpower. You need to look at a big picture. Don't be so tunnel visioned.
 
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jacques    RE:Jacques & the Offense Duck.   2/14/2004 5:17:32 AM
MAGACH, Sabra and M60 are obsolete platforms you can't bring them in and do a price comparision.
 
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jacques    MikkoLn    2/14/2004 5:20:16 AM
Quit fighting with me. It's not hat I have a weak case but there are too many of you I can't out type everyone of you.
 
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Kozzy    RE:MikkoLn    2/14/2004 8:36:18 AM
Is the arguement still how good the Leclerc is? Answer: Of course it's a good tank, on paper it has a good gun, a good electronics suite, and the Galix defense system. The only thing we are not sure on is it's armor, which can't be bad.
 
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Z24gwb    RE:top 10 tanks in the world!!!   2/14/2004 2:37:39 PM
The Leopard 2a6 is the most modern tanks in the World so obviosly it is the best. and one thing to mention those M1a1's that devasted the Iraqi army in the gulf war were armed with the German L38 gun
 
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