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Subject: top 10 tanks in the world!!!
Hong-Xing    8/12/2003 9:07:05 AM
i think it would be this t-90 (rus) m1a2 (usa) t-98 (chi) m1a1 (usa) Challenger 2 (bri) t-95 black hawk (rus) al khalid (chi) merkeva (bra) arjun (ind) t-90||| (chi)
 
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Jeffrey    RE:top 10 tanks in the world!!!   2/1/2004 2:07:13 AM
Count von molkte can you give me a good reason why you have put the T-95 BlackHawk there? Have you any information that it can beat the other tanks? It isn't in use with the Russian army!
 
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Horsesoldier    RE:top 10 tanks in the world!!!   2/1/2004 5:34:09 AM
>>haha they are << Haha indeed. T-95 is not in production, and its capabilities are generally hearsay and untested. Osorio never entered production at all and is a dead issue at this point. I'm not a fan of Russian tanks, but I'd certainly take a T-80 over a non-existant tank any day of the week. To chime in with my own offering on the subject, I'd say: #1.) Leo2A6/M1A2SEP tied #2.) Challenger 2/M1A2 tied #3.) Merkava 4 #4.) Merkava 3/M1A1D tied #5.) LeClerc #6.) Type 90/K1A1 tied #7.) Ariete/Challenger 1 tied #8.) T-80 (latest marks)/105mm tank upgrades #9.) Type 98 #10.) T-90 One error on most of these lists is that people are not differentiating between the M1A2 and the M1A2SEP, which are of differing capabilities, with the M1A2SEP being the most advanced American tank currently in service and arguably the most advanced tank in service anywhere. As I have pointed out elsewhere, its optics are radically superior to any other tank out there. The other error I see is that people tend to forget older marks of very successful tanks that are still in service. I would take a Merkava 3 or an M1A1 over a platoon of T-80 or T-90 any day of the week. I might rate the Challenger 1 higher, except that it is now only in Jordanian service, which means that the crews aren't up to snuff and the CR1's mechanical issues will probably only be exacerbated by inadequate maintenance. If the examples of its performance were still associated with British crews, it would be higher on the list. 105mm modernized tanks include various designs like the Israeli upgrades of the M60, the Canadian upgrade of the Leo 1, etc.
 
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Kozzy    RE:top 10 tanks in the world!!!   2/1/2004 9:32:21 AM
The T-95 and Black Eagle are two completely different tanks.
 
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Jeffrey    RE:top 10 tanks in the world!!!   2/1/2004 10:43:45 AM
No they aren't T-95 is called Black Eagle
 
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Jeffrey    RE:top 10 tanks in the world!!!   2/1/2004 11:26:34 AM
"Germany?s Leopard 2 Remains the World?s Best Tank" "The Pentagon?s gas turbine-powered M1 Abrams may be the first tank that comes to the minds of most Americans, but overall, Germany?s Leopard 2 is the world?s best. In a new analysis of the world tank market, Forecast International/DMS finds that, based on an overall comparison in terms of lethality, fightability, mobility and survivability, the Leopard 2A6EX comes out on top. Although the Leopard 2A6EX ranked above the M1 Abrams (in the A2 System Enhancement Package model), the gap between the two tanks remains exceedingly small. In this year?s survey, the deciding factor was the Leopard 2?s 55-caliber version of the Rh 120 tank cannon and the formidable DM 53 long rod penetrating ammunition. The Abrams is slated to receive the same cannon, but not for several years. " The whole ranking from the analysis is: 1. Leopard 2A6 2. M1A2 Abrams 3. Type 90 4. LeClerc 5. Challenger 2 "The latest analysis and ranking again has the omnipresent Russian tanks falling short of their Western counterparts, despite some recent major improvements as well as the continued lead by the Russians in active defense systems."
 
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Horsesoldier    RE:top 10 tanks in the world!!!   2/1/2004 12:08:48 PM
Again, unless someone can show my evidence to the contrary, I'm of the opinion that the L55 guntube allows the Leo 2 to compete with APDU armed M1s, not surpass them. I also tend to think the sensor package on the M1A2SEP renders it remarkably superior to the Leo2A6 in terms of fightability and survivability, but in that respect I may be betraying my background in reconnaissance and scouting. Putting Type 90 and LeClerc above Challenger 2 and 2E, as well as Merkava 3 and Merkava 4, is nonsense.
 
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giblets    RE:top 10 tanks in the world!!!   2/1/2004 12:09:16 PM
Forecast international also says that: "However, the M1A2 Abrams tank, built by General Dynamics Land Systems, outperforms the Leopard 2 in actual combat situations." Which, to be brutally honest means that their method of saying which tank is best is flawed, the best tank is the tank which will win IN combat situations. At the end of the day, combat is what the tanks are designed for.
 
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p47d    RE:top 10 tanks in the world!!!   2/1/2004 11:40:25 PM
let me tell you:T90(chinese)is not as good as you think,although it's main gun and amor is outstanding £¬it's fire-control system is not good enough.
 
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Heorot    RE:top 10 tanks in the world!!!   2/2/2004 8:11:46 AM
Who are Forecast International/DMS? And what are their criteria for judging? The winners of these types of analysis are those tanks that conform most closely to the preconceptions of the analysts as to what comprises the perfect tank. For example, if the analyst thinks that a fast medium tank capable of firing accurately while moving at high speed is ideal, then the LeClerc will score highly. On the other hand, if the analyst likes heavy, highly armoured tanks with a gun that is accurate at extreme ranges, then he will score the Abrams or Challenger highly. At the end of the day, the theorists can say what they like, but the proof is on the battlefield.
 
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MikkoLn    RE:Testament to Challenger 2's Armour - Jeffrey   2/2/2004 8:53:23 AM
Ok, there?s a couple of things that really caught my eye ? again ? when scanning trough these posts. So I comment some of the discussed topics now? >>By searching on the web you can't make the conclusion that the T-90 is the best in the world witch i doubt. That might well be the case, but searching on the web don?t actually make anyone a pro in this area. Information generally available are provided by nationalist sources (producers, users etc.) and are overview style stuff, not going really into the business. Web is usefull, but full of half-truths, errors, wrong or biased conclusions and so on?so be careful with it. >>Several research company's have already proven that the Leopard2A6 is the best all-round tank available till now and that the M1A2 takes second place and the Type 90 (Japan) takes 3th so don't try to make your own statement about what is the best tank in the world! Several research companies? Ok, well they must know?pretty absurd phrase. >>The other error I see is that people tend to forget older marks of very successful tanks that are still in service. I would take a Merkava 3 or an M1A1 over a platoon of T-80 or T-90 any day of the week. I would too?except on that day when I?m fired with modern ATGM, then I would take one T90 over a platoon of M1A1?s or Merkava 3?oh yes and the day when I had to overrun some infantry positions?or the day when I?ve got to make my way through that marsh forest?oh well, should it always be so simple? >>No they aren't T-95 is called Black Eagle Did you get that from the internet too? Well, you must know. What is the Patton called my friend? Isn?t it the M1? Those two got more to do with each other than T95 and Black Eagle, giving a little hint? With Merkava discussion >>Not to mention the ability to carry 8 soldiers? BMP1 had also ability to carry 8 soldiers and had a main gun capable of penetrating even frontal armour of MBT?s back then. But still they don?t seem to be used in a same way? Think a little while, why? DU ammo, not actually American wonder weapon or patent anyhow, as many other countries use DU ammunition (Russians, for example, built first 125mm DU rounds over decade ago). Engine power is obviously important factor in tank?s maneuverability. Power-to-weight ratio tells much more about the real mobility, though. But that?s not all, not at all. PtW-ratio gives a good clue about what approximate class a certain vehicle would fall to with it?s mobility, but if a good survey is about to be made, there?s dozens of more general and equipment unique points affecting very much on the overall result. It?s well possible that seemingly slightly worse tank in mobility (worse PtW-ratio) could beat it?s seemingly better contestor hands down in real mobility.
 
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