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Couac_Attack RE:top 10 tanks in the world!!! 9/28/2003 1:23:31 PM

We will never agree...!! For me the best would be a competition between all the modern tank of the world to see who is really the best !

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Thomas RE:top 10 tanks in the world!!! 9/29/2003 5:15:06 AM

These threads remind me of the incident (reported in Playboy - of all places) when the US Navy and the US Air Force was brawling wether the F-14 or the F-15 was the better plane. Some feeble minded person suggested a shoot out with live weapons. Nothing came of it.

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desertowl RE:top 10 tanks in the world!!! 9/29/2003 11:00:26 AM

the merkava (since mark III) has modular armor , also all its electronics are upgradble , so dont get so fussed about the leclerck. by the way , check the thick armor of the merkava's IV against top attack. check www.israeli-weapons.com for some more info. i dont get how u can compare armor here , when its such a classified info? a word about APS (active protection systems) - these are not gizmos , as some said here , its the future. ATGM's becoming more effective , u want tanks to go lighter, APS is one of the solutions. way to go for the russians , for implementing the first hard kill APS (arena) on operational tanks! Lt. Mk (res.) i speak for no organization

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Sikman Merkava somewhat underated 9/29/2003 7:39:26 PM

I would say the latest Merkava is superior in armor and fire control system than just about any MBT. Perhaps the Challenger 2 equals or comes close in terms of sheer armor strength but overall survivability is far superior with the mk IV. Also both tanks have high velocity 120mm cannons. I would say however that the power to weight ratio of the Mk IV is its weekness relative to the M1A2, Leo and Leclerk. However it is much more powerfull than its predecessor the Mk III. Finally I would say the Merkava's reactive armour is just as versatile as the vaunted Leclerc with the ability to snap on and off in the battlefield.

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TankboiKelarius Modular Armor 9/29/2003 10:21:18 PM

It would seem that some people in here think that modular armor is the best thing to come along since sliced bread. I would like for one of you to show me a SINGLE situation in a modern battlefield in which modular armor is useful. In my eyes, the ability to replace armor panels in the field doesnt mean anything, because unless WW3 occurs soon and we see massive armored campaigns like in WW2, you simply wont need to replace it. Modern composite armor can withstand MANY hits before it needs to be replaced, and it is likely the tank will have to be brought back to a maintenence center for an engine overhaul before they will ahve to replace the armor.

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MikkoLn RE:Modular Armor 9/30/2003 1:01:23 AM

Wise words again desertowl...I must really agree with you in this issue!

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MikkoLn RE:Modular Armor 9/30/2003 5:26:04 AM

And about the modular armor - though the battlefield repairs are a issue, I think still it's main virtues lie on upgradeability during the tank's life. When new types or improvements of armour appear, it's easy and cheap to upgrade modular armour packaged tank to a new level, whereas in conventional design upgrade will most likely cost much if it's possible at the first place. Development of a whole new tank is very long and pricefull project, keeping that in mind using modular armour is very wise.

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ossie Tank crew & designed for. 10/4/2003 4:36:54 PM

hi all Having read this thread and have driven alot of the tanks mentioned here and many more . what i can & will say is that no matter how good the technoilgy is it is only as the crew & the maintance support it has. but more over all the tanks mentioned have been designed for differant reasons. it has been proved by the swedish Gotland Brigade that a well trained crew of a less surperior tank in this case the STRV 104 (Centurion upgrade) took on & beat strv 122 leopard. some of the older tanks have a better rate of fire than modern tanks. most modern tanks can fire about 9 a minute some of the older can do 10 and even 14 which the strv 104 crews claim to have done all differeant targets. in which case its like the old story Tiger was a good tank but when it faced a sherman and if got within close range it could fire several rounds to the tigers one. as a drivers point of view. T72 goes like a rocket easy to turn at a tough of the sticks. manual gearbox. M1 hated it M60 ok steering odd. Leopard 2A5 this i felt i had the confirdeance to go any where. Challenger enjoyed the drive. Commanders Challanger Overall depends where & when but in the presant world climit it must be Chally 2 or Merc 4 but Chally 2 would be my first choice because it has survived RPG attacks on parts of the tank which did not have up armoured packs. where as the M1 is Vanarable in the rear to RPG. HAS the Merc been up against a RPG on a non armoured part? the one question i have is in a real battle, tanks get knocked out or engine breaks down or EMP. it will be then down to which tank operate with manual systems. no electrics,computers. i have just been reading something about a centurion which was placed near a atomic weapon blast. it was left with the engine running & the radios on. when they went back the radios were no good but the engine was not running becasue it ran out of fuel. refueled and they drove it back to camp. it is also belived that this tank THEN served in Vietnam. this is what i mean. the other thing to remember is some tanks are being upgraded all the time with new systems ,guns & some can not because they are already at there design limitation with out bring new models of that version.something that the USA & UK are very good at. these are my views. Ossie

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crna_zvezda RE:top 10 tanks in the world!!! 10/4/2003 5:00:14 PM

lol

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cerbere RE:top 10 tanks in the world!!! 10/31/2003 8:26:35 PM

That s the best tank in the world no matter what here is the proof French Tank AMX Leclerc During the Cold war, the French Army, wanted, through the successor of the AMX 30, to compensate for the numerical superiority of the tanks of the Warsaw Pact by the quality of its materials and the superiority of its operation. In 1977, a report/ratio is remi in a French state which shows the replacement from the AMX 30 by a new tank. Immediately, the state major of the Army places order to industrialist GIAT for the launching of a study "future tank". GIAT, in eight month, will study six concepts of tanks. - project TC2 with crew out of turret with two men and automatic charger (system already employed on the tank lèger AMX 13). - project AS12 with weapon in superstructure and automatic feeding, the crew is with tois men and located inside the case, only the armament emerges with the top of the roof. The EMAT adopts project TC2 as bases departure. Of classical architecture, this project corresponds to the concept of tank known as of 3rd generation with composite shieldings to follow the evolution of the threat, turret two men with charger automatic, only able to ensure the regularity (and thus the speed) of the shooting, tank moving, gun of 120 mm firing the shell flêche, systems electronic of command and communication, information centralized by bus on the level of the tank. For the first time, electronics takes in a tank the importance which it has in a fighter. The industrialization of Leclerc begins in 1990 and the first tank of series is delivered in December 1991. Manufacture is carried out by sections known as Phases which follow one another, each one benefitting from the experience gained on the ground by the preceding one. Thus, the Phases 1 and 2 which will essuieront the plasters will be withdrawn and replaced by Phases 3, 4, 5 and 6. Phase 6 currently in the course of delivery represents the version final series of the Leclerc tank. Today, 200 Leclerc tanks are delivered to the French Army. They equip the 501/503ème Tank regiment of combat (40 Phase 5, 28 Phase 4 and 12 Phase 3). The 6/12ème Régiment of Dragons is in the sight of equipment with of Leclerc Phase 6. The remainder of the Leclerc tanks is distributed between the School of Cavalry of Saumur and the Center of Drive of the Tank Leclerc Carpiagne. On the whole, 400 Leclerc tanks will be delivered to the French Army, plus 24 specimens of version DNG (Break-down mechanic of New Generation). The gun of the Leclerc tank has a length higher of one meter than the guns of 120 mm RH 120 German of the tank Léopard 2 and the 120 mm M 256 American who arms the tank M1 Abrams. These two guns do not have that a length of 44 gauges either 5,28 Mr. the gun of 120 mm of Leclerc has a length of 52 gauges or 6,24 Mr. What enables him to treat its targets with the usual distance of 4000 m against 3000 m for RH 120 and M 256. Considerable superiority in the anti-tank combat where it is that which draws further which is right very often. Of course, this comparison between the French gun and those which equip the tanks with friendly countries and allies cannot take all its importance that within the commercial framework, in the form of the export sales and not in that of a direct confrontation. In the current state, Leclerc would have more to face tanks of the type T72 or T80 both armed with the gun of 125 mm, whose ballistic qualities are manifestly lower than the guns of 120 mm RH 120 and M 256. In addition, to face a possible threat by 2020-2030, a gun of 140 mm, twice more powerful than the 120 mm of 52 gauges, is currently under studies for the forces of Atlantic Alliance. It could be assembled on the Leclerc tanks as of the year 2010. In addition to its frightening gun of 120 mm, Leclerc has the property to draw moving in any ground at the speed of 40 Km/h on a target located at 4000 m and it even moving to 60 Km/h. To judge this performance, let us announce that the tanks Léopard 2 and M1 Abrams can only draw works from there (15 Km/h maximum) on a good track and against a target with the stop located at 3000 Mr. the absence of automatic charger oblige them to stop to manually reload the door and cumbersome ammunition of 120 mm. Leclerc is proposed with export not like tank but like system. The Plain Arab Emirates which ordered 436 tanks Leclerc turret and breakdown service (all will be delivered at the end of 2002) have it in fact chosen as a traditional system of dissuasion against any aggression. It is estimated, indeed, that for hoping to put in failure 400 Leclerc tanks, it would be necessary to oppose a force to them minimum of 2400 tanks of the type T72 or 1200 Léopards/M1 Abrams. No country of this so significant area of the Middle-East has such a park of tanks. sorry it was just for information ...and to give justice Crew: 2 men Weight in functioning order: 54,6 tons Length (gun forwar

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