Military History | How To Make War | Wars Around the World Rules of Use How to Behave on an Internet Forum
Armor Discussion Board
Sign In   Return to Topic Page
Subject: top 10 tanks in the world!!!
Hong-Xing    8/12/2003 9:07:05 AM
i think it would be this t-90 (rus) m1a2 (usa) t-98 (chi) m1a1 (usa) Challenger 2 (bri) t-95 black hawk (rus) al khalid (chi) merkeva (bra) arjun (ind) t-90||| (chi)
 
Quote    Reply

Email Me When A New Comment Is Made
Show Only Poster Name and Title     Newest to Oldest
InFuSeR    RE:top 10   1/2/2004 4:18:01 AM
B.Smitty why did you put the SEP down on the m1? The m1a2 SEP wasnt in that study test it was only the m1a2.The army didnt start upgrading its m1 to SEP config untill 2001. Also to mike_golf I seen on modern movels on the discovery channel about the M1 they can reload at 2-3 seconds :) auto loader around 6-10
 
Quote    Reply

B.Smitty    RE:top 10   1/2/2004 8:03:14 AM
"B.Smitty why did you put the SEP down on the m1?" My mistake. I'm just used to referring to it that way. Good catch.
 
Quote    Reply

mike_golf    RE:top 10 - Infuser   1/2/2004 10:00:05 AM
You're right, a really good Abrams crew can reload in less than 3 seconds with everything perfect. Under combat conditions, tired crew, tank moving, direct and indirect fire coming in it's more like 4 seconds. Since an autoloader will always be the same speed I'd rather compare the worst case of a human than the best case :-). In either case in combat a second or two can make all the difference. Remember, a tank round travels from muzzle to target in about a second. Getting your round off one second earlier could mean life or death. Give me a human loader over an autoloader any day. For that reason alone I will never rank the LeClerc above the M1, Challenger or Leopard.
 
Quote    Reply

InFuSeR    RE:top 10-    1/2/2004 10:43:14 AM
I know i was thinking about join the army and still am.If i was gonna go into the army and pick a field driving a m1a2 would be on TOP of my list followed by flying around in a ah64. The thing that scares me the most if a tank with a auto loader failed or jammed or the tank took a round and somehow knock out the loader and then leaving you hopeless on the battlefield.
 
Quote    Reply

mike_golf    RE:top 10- autoloader issues   1/2/2004 10:53:15 AM
Contrary to what certain posters would have you believe, the autoloader, like any other subsystem on the tank, can be disabled by direct fire even though the armor is not penetrated. There is a reason why the US Army gunnery training includes engagements where the main sights, FCS and thermals have failed. You have to know how to continue to fight your tank even though the primary systems are disabled due to battle damage. It is rather difficult to fight your tank when you have lost your autoloader. If a crewmember is killed or wounded on a tank with a human loader you can continue to fight, although with a huge degradation in effectiveness, with only 3 crewman.
 
Quote    Reply

northernguy    RE:top 10- autoloader issues...   1/2/2004 4:02:12 PM
My understanding is that it takes a lot of physical work to keep a tank running in combat conditions. I would guess that the tank commander is excused from doing a considerable portion of that work, at least in most military organisations. Installing an autoloader increases the maintainence at the same time as the work crew is severly reduced. The actual _work_ of keeping operational tanks up to those legendary specs being thrown around on this board are at least as important as the specs themselves. Which, of course, brings up the whole question of performance under battle conditions which some tank types (and all their crews) have, by choice, been excused from.
 
Quote    Reply

PuckaMan    Commanders don't have it easy   1/2/2004 4:52:24 PM
I would guess that in battle commanders don't have the easiest job. They're concentrating on pretty much everything, coordination of the crew, with the rest of the platoon/formation, not to mention scanning for the enemy, as well as checkinng and keeping an eye on the tank's systems and running. I have no experience in this, by my guess is that'd only be half of what goes on. All crewmen have essential jobs, and traing for all of them is vital for everyone..
 
Quote    Reply

bazos    RE:Battle proven; against zulus?   1/3/2004 2:48:40 AM
you are suffering so much for your leclerc which failed in compettion in greece in 1995 if i am sure of the year!!!!!all you say about your leclerc is only propaganda .During that competion which took place in greece for replacing greece army main battle tank, your leclerc arrived only in fourth position the winner of the competition was abrahm tanks the second the challenger and the leopard arrived in the third position!!! It is the propaganda when media french claimed that the leclerc was the first tank in the world which can fire when moving!!! the truht is that abrahms wre the first in the world to fire when moving and it entered in service at the beginging of 1980s when the leclerc enter only in just before the end of 1990s probably in the 1997. i follow of the developpement of these tanks abrahm , leopard challenger, t80, t90 and so on so you must keep your propaganda for you !!!
 
Quote    Reply

Couac_Attack    RE:Battle proven; against zulus? bazos   1/3/2004 5:00:52 AM
Sorry but i dont understand the link between your title and your post ... So plz do some search before trying to bash the leclerc, it was a good attempt but you need to learn one or two things that may change your way of thinking
 
Quote    Reply

Couac_Attack    RE:Battle proven; against zulus? bazos end of my post   1/3/2004 5:39:45 AM
.... everybody forget that greeks had got Leo 1 before, and to pass to a 4 men tank to a 3 one ( like the Leclerc ) is difficult. That why greek government asked to his troops to traine for a week on all the tanks in the competition to know them better, and at the second test, the leclerc became 1rst and passed from around 72 points to a note around 86. ( after when the greek government asked to France the price, they founded that to much so they chose the Leo 2 )
 
Quote    Reply



StrategyWorld.com© 1998 - 2012StrategyWorld.com. All rights Reserved. StrategyWorld.com, StrategyPage.com, FYEO, For Your Eyes Only and Al Nofi's CIC are all trademarks of StrategyWorld.com Privacy Policy