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Couac_Attack RE:top 10 tanks in the world!!! Re: C-Attack 9/24/2003 11:12:50 AM

Thx for your comments. :) I will try to found the Merkarva Armor on the web..

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MikkoLn RE:top 10 tanks in the world!!! 9/25/2003 1:54:32 AM

Well even back in the WWII Panther had 700hp engine, today for example Leclerc and LeoII mount 1500hp powerpack. However they have lower power-to-weight ratio and ground pressure than M1, for that matter (if you want to go playing with pure numbers). Anyway, the actual cross country performance is dependant on countless of factors and the result can surely be seen only in the field.

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MikkoLn slight adjustment 9/25/2003 3:27:15 AM

>lower power-to-weight ratio and ground pressure should have been higher power to weight ratio and lower ground pressure

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Nasty German Idiot RE:top 10 tanks in the world!!! - Couac_Attack 9/25/2003 3:28:54 AM

So lets see: In your Post you say the Leclerc has a better fire rate, with 6 shots per minute. Thats just incorrect. The average German Tank-Gunner has a reloading time of 5 seconds. The reloading time of the Leclerc-Automatic Gun is 6 seconds. So the Leopard can be reloaded faster. -Dont need to go slower or to stop, to reload the heavy ammo because of it has got an auto-reloader. Do you think the Leo has to go slower only because it has to reload ? "-A better armor, when Germans changed their Leo2 armor for a better one, they made a lot of noise against the frenhc one, that why some GIAT engineers gived few information that showed the Leclerc armor was 2X stronger, and much more lighter than the Leo 2 one." Keep dreaming. PS: Be sure, nobody lets French engineers at a German tank to investigate the Armor, even the thickness is a secret. And i dont think France can develope an Armor that is 2X better than the German one. About the Speed: Leopard2A6 goes with 72 on the Street, Leclerc 70. In the field the Leclerc is 2 Kmh faster, which is no big difference. To the advantages of the Leo: It can go trough water up to a deep of 4.4 Meters (underwater) It has a much better Protected Tower against new Antitank weapons that attck from above. And, at last: The Cannon is the L55, which has 80% more power than the old L44 from the Leopard2-A5. The Leclerc uses the CN-120-26, which shoots 2 differend types of ammo: One goes with 1790 m/s the other with 1100 m/s. The new L55 has over 2000 m/s.

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Couac_Attack RE:top 10 tanks in the world!!! - Couac_Attack 9/25/2003 11:24:45 AM

" -Dont need to go slower or to stop, to reload the heavy ammo because of it has got an auto-reloader. " I never saw that the Leo 2 had got an auto reloader system. And YES you need to go slower to reload the ammo ( think the Man that reload isnt superman, and did you try to stay up in a bus that go at 70 KmH on a chaotic ground and to do some things ??) And a men dont have a regular reload ability like an auto loader ( it wil depend of the man) " Keep dreaming. PS: Be sure, nobody lets French engineers at a German tank to investigate the Armor, even the thickness is a secret. And i dont think France can develope an Armor that is 2X better than the German one. " only 2 things to say: LOL, MDR " About the Speed: Leopard2A6 goes with 72 on the Street, Leclerc 70. In the field the Leclerc is 2 Kmh faster, which is no big difference. " Its stupid that a tank can go at 72 KmH ( the tank is bloked when it go faster, ?? lol) , and you said that because it was 2KmH more than the Leclerc. I will add one thing, the Lecelrc has got point of speed of 90 so .. " The average German Tank-Gunner has a reloading time of 5 seconds. The reloading time of the Leclerc-Automatic Gun is 6 seconds. So the Leopard can be reloaded faster. " I was also considering the time to have an acquitsition !!

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Nasty German Idiot RE:top 10 tanks in the world!!! - Couac_Attack 9/25/2003 12:59:49 PM

( think the Man that reload isnt superman, and did you try to stay up in a bus that go at 70 KmH on a chaotic ground and to do some things ??) And did you know that i even can use instruments in an airplane flying at hundreds of Mph ? Have you ever taken seat in an Leopard2 or Leclerc ? The Leopard-Gunner can sit while reloading, and have you seen the Leopard drive over rough terrain ? I will show you an video, link comes this evening.

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Nasty German Idiot RE:top 10 tanks in the world!!! - Couac_Attack 9/25/2003 2:24:04 PM

Found the Video, problem is you have to register to view. But i think you will like the site, there are a lot of videos of the leclerc on it too. Its www.kampfpanzer.de They have an english version as well, and lots of information about international tanks, also a good comparison between the Leopard2 and the M1A1.

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Couac_Attack RE:top 10 tanks in the world!!! - Couac_Attack 9/25/2003 3:29:01 PM

thx for the link, i will take a look on it :D

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jacques RE:top 10 tanks in the world!!! 9/26/2003 6:14:22 AM

if anyone who say the leclerc is not the best tank in the world; he's a liar. the leclerc is so revolutinary in its design that nothing can be compared. have anyone see how you can dismantle its armor so easily and put them back on ? the poing on debate about armor, sensor, gun, powerpack, stabilisers are so irrelevant. those things can be easily change and upgrade latter eventhough at this moment the leclerc top everyone else in those fields. the buzz word is modular design that is something the leclerc has and noone else has. it's very versatile.

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DesiDude RE:top 10 tanks in the world!!! 9/26/2003 1:02:28 PM

I don't think Arjun can be included in any top 10 competition. It is India's first attempt at making a tank. It can't amount to much. However, I am sure the Indian Defense Scientists are learning, and will come out with something better soon (before Pakistan attacks, I hope). I guess the problem is that the Indians had to take on a lot more on day 1, as compared to other countries that are building tanks for several decades. They have to think about a stabilized Gun and laser guidance at the same time they design a decent track. Other countries built tanks and slowly upped the technology over decades. India is trying to shorten the learning curve to 5-0 years. Things are more likely to fail in such a case. Also Al-Khalid is a cheap copy of T-72 designed for the Pakis by the Chinese. Pakistam is just building them. Pakistan claims that it is a joint technology effort. I assume Pakistan contributed the paint, and the padding on the Tank driver's seat.

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TankboiKelarius RE:top 10 tanks in the world!!! 9/26/2003 10:04:58 PM

I think its interesting how only the French in this thread seem to think the leclerc is the best tank. And before you go calling me an american hypocrite, let me give you MY picks for the top 5 (i cant decide after 5) 1) Challenger 2 (best armor, good gun, good electronics) 2) Leo 2 (good armor, best gun, NEWEST electronics) 3) M1A2 (good gun, good armor, god electronics, fast tank) 4)LeClerc (good gun, good speed, good armor) 5) Merkava 4 (good armor)

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TankboiKelarius RE:top 10 tanks in the world!!! (corrections) 9/26/2003 10:09:25 PM

Challlenger 2-Best armor is until we have affirmative answers on Merkava 4 armor M1A2-GOOD Electronics, not god Merkava 4-just placed it here because i know relativly little about this tank

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Question RE:top 10 tanks in the world!!! 9/27/2003 6:01:20 AM

I think the french lecrec is the best,if you need mobility combined with firepower to out-manuever the enemy.

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IndusValley RE:top 10 tanks in the world!!! 9/27/2003 12:03:13 PM

Dudes!! I have one simple answer to all your things...The Russian T-90S super battle tank wihch India has procured (450 of them) and India got tech transfer to produce it at home as well. This Super battle tank can take on any tank in the world. With Israeli electronics also on this. This seems to be the most formidable tank today.

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Horsesoldier RE:top 10 tanks in the world!!! 9/27/2003 4:07:39 PM

The T-90S is just a rehashed collection of Soviet era problems. Yes, it does have thermals and improved armor, but: -- It still can't hit a thing at long range, which is why it has to use through-barrel ATGMs. -- It still uses an under-turret carousel autoloader. Its armor is not *that* good (which we know because it comes with all those active defense and ERA gizmos to compensate for basically inferior armor), and so when it takes a hit, much like a T-72 or T-80 it will quickly generate three widows. On the plus side, it is cheap compared to M1A1s (or better), Challenger 2, Leo 2, and even Le Clerc, Merkava, etc. It also comes from a nation which is more than happy to sell its tanks, planes, children, and grandmothers, no strings attached, whereas the US, UK, Germany, etc. might attempt to attach some stipulations to arms exports.

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