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Subject: top 10 tanks in the world!!!
Hong-Xing    8/12/2003 9:07:05 AM
i think it would be this
t-90 (rus)
m1a2 (usa)
t-98 (chi)
m1a1 (usa)
Challenger 2 (bri)
t-95 black hawk (rus)
al khalid (chi)
merkeva (bra)
arjun (ind)
t-90||| (chi)
 
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WinsettZ    RE:top 10 tanks in the world!!!   8/12/2003 12:10:45 PM
All tanks are "good" depending on the doctrine of their designers. Soviet tanks are cheaper, probably more rugged and designed for en masse attack, or at least they were. The newer T-80s and T-90s developed by the Russians seem to reflect more speed then the older tanks. The American doctrine is long-range engagement with one-shot kill, the ability to hit a moving target and survive at close range; fighting like Swedish King Gustav's cavalry: Utilizing range and still being able to close for shock action. The Al-Khalid is pakistani, neh?
 
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oregon_x_marine    RE:top 10 tanks in the world!!!   8/12/2003 1:08:01 PM
The Merkeva (?) is an Israeli tank.
 
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Nasty German Idiot    RE:top 10 tanks in the world!!!   8/12/2003 1:38:23 PM
This ranking is totally stupid because T90 / M1A1 / Challenger2 / Lecerk / Leopard2A6 and even Merkava are all more or less at a Top rank. The Indian Arjun may be the proud of the Indian Army, and it looks like a tank, but is totally unsiutable for military use. It had Problems with the engine from the beginning, at least now it is equipped with a new engine from Germany. The Turret has huge areas where antitank weapons can be placed, the aiming doesnt work well, the tank is too big and too slow. That is why India has ordered more T-90 from Russia.
 
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god of war    RE:top 10 tanks in the world!!!   8/12/2003 11:01:11 PM
one on one in any place, not counting weight, a western M1 type tank will win. One on one in the desert, an M1 type tank is king. when you have to worry about weight for bridges and such, i would stil take the M1 type and go the long way.
 
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df-10    RE:top 10 tanks in the world!!!   8/12/2003 11:51:06 PM
This is what i think. T-90(Russia) m1a2(USA) Challenger2(British) m1a1(USA) t-98(China) t-90(China) t-95 black hwak(Russia) al Khalid(Pakistan) Arjun(india)
 
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oldbutnotwise    RE:top 10 tanks in the world!!!   8/14/2003 1:52:45 AM
Dangerous statement, dont forget that the Challanger 2 has a generation better armour than the M1A2 and a better gun, whilst a bit slower in an open invironment like the dessert, speed will only get you so far before the fire control systems of a top tank will lock onto you, at that point its armour vs gun and as the callenger has more of one and a better one of the other it would be a brave man who would make such a bold statement, personnely I would prefer never to be in a situation where a M1* would have to go against a challenger* or challenger* against a M1*(* please subsitute fave tank here) The only challanger lost so far in combat was lost to another challenger and even then half the crew lived despite it being point blank range. Oh and dont forget that the challanger hold the record for the longest range tank kill! Before I get the M1 is best replies, all I am saying is that given the closeness of modern MBT in killing power other factors count ie speed and armour. how these effect the survirvorbility of a tank depends on factor like terrain, supprise, weather, tactical objectives and most importantly plain old luck. The best tank in the world can become a death trap if badly deployed, whilst a mediocre tank can be successful if used well
 
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swhitebull    RE:top 10 tanks in the world!!!   8/14/2003 6:43:56 AM
Problem is, on the modern battlefield, tanks just dont FIGHT one-on-one anymore, UNLESS there is contested air superiority, both strategically and tactically. When is the last time a modern army fought WITHOUT such overwhelming air power, and confronted enemy tanks? Desert Storm 1 was US and Brit tanks against obsolete Iraqi ones. sothat really isnt a good comparison. Israel in Lebanon in 1982 with their new Merkava-1s tore Syrian armor to shreds (first introduction of a modern tank force with reactive armor, btw), and now the Merkava-4 is coming into production, which hold a bigger edge against Syrian tanks (even with Italian upgrade kits), and you can be sure the Israelis will have overwhelming on-demand air superiority. It's therefore really hard to make such comparisons without looking at the overall battlefield environment in which these tank-on-tank battles will occur. The US DOESNT go in anymore with its air backups (fixed wing and Apache- its NOT doctrine). swhitebull It is very unlikely that a modern army would go in these to fight other tanks WITHOUT first achieving such air superiority, and then you have a true combined arms operations that would rip an opposing enemy's AFVs to shreds.
 
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jacques    RE:top 10 tanks in the world!!!   9/19/2003 9:51:05 PM
1.Cleclerc 2.AMX30 3.Lep2 4.M1 5.Challenger 6.Merkava 7.Ariete 8.T90 9.Cheftain 10.STRV 103
 
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Couac_Attack    RE:top 10 tanks in the world!!!   9/20/2003 10:12:23 AM
I dont think the AMX 30 should be second, the AMX 40 is a little under the lastest version of Leopard 2 but the AMX 30 is certainly not better then a M1/Merkarva/Leo2... Now its true that the Leclerc is the best ;):):) ( its Leclerc, and not Cleclerc, or you maybe mean Char leclerc)
 
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popo    RE:top 10 tanks in the world!!!   9/23/2003 1:06:19 AM
This is how I think: 1.leopard2a6/strv122 2.M1A2 3.leoparda5 4.leclerc 5.challenger2 6.Merkava mk.4 7.M1A1 8.T90 9.T80U
 
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Couac_Attack    RE:top 10 tanks in the world!!!   9/23/2003 9:00:36 AM
What does the Leo 2 has more than the Leclerc??
 
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Nasty German Idiot    RE:top 10 tanks in the world!!!   9/23/2003 12:36:59 PM
If i would like to be very mean to you i would say "no people from france" :) But state it the other way round what does the Leclerc have that the Leo doesnt have ? And now dont come with false things like "It has better target systems" or "the Leo cant shoot driving more than 15 km" or such things ok ?
 
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kjetski    RE:top 10 tanks in the world!!!   9/23/2003 2:32:22 PM
None of the AFVs listed in that ridiculous ranking come close to the M-1! The Merkava is a fine but rather immobile AFV, as are the others. It all comes down to the power train. I believe all but the Abrahms are diesel powered and put out between 800 and 900 hp. The upper end of their top speed is around 35-40 mph AT BEST. The Abrahms will hit 40 with ease, quickly and quietly. The gun laying system is simple and rugged. It is quiet and reliable. It will use all manner of fuel (like harry carey swilling down budweiser!). The KP at 3 km is above 95%. During Desert Storm 1 the rags lost thousands of soviet made AFVs. We lost less than 10 M-1's....
 
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Couac_Attack    RE:top 10 tanks in the world!!!   9/23/2003 3:06:19 PM
" But can you proove me that it can do better?? I founded it on the web but you never justify that it was false .. so explain?? " Now to answer to your returned question, what the Leclerc has more than the Leo2 A5/6..: -A better fire rate, 6 shoot per minute -Dont need to go slower or to stop, to reload the heavy ammo because of it has got an auto-reloader. -A better armor, when Germans changed their Leo2 armor for a better one, they made a lot of noise against the frenhc one, that why some GIAT engineers gived few information that showed the Leclerc armor was 2X stronger, and much more lighter than the Leo 2 one. -better speed -More nimble -a better fire acquisition in hight speed on a fast target. Now if you say me im wrong, you must consider that all the tech of the Leclerc to stabilyze the gun that doesnt get the Leo2 make a difference.. ;) Now i have answered to your question, i would like to know what the Leo 2 has more than the Leclerc. ( its not Ironic but just say me ) An other question to everybody: Do you know what tank is the best protected between the Last merkarva and the Challenger 2?? Because i have seen some things, which i dont know if they are true, that the Merkarva 4 was well protected.
 
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joe6pack    RE:top 10 tanks in the world!!! Re: C-Attack   9/23/2003 6:48:19 PM
Differences between Challanger 2 and Merkava 4. I did a little looking as to protection.. I suppose it may come down to if you mean crew survival or tank survival. The Merkava 4 apparently has a "new" armor and more of it than the M3 - but can't find anywhere that says what it is.. not sure if we are sharing the next generation chobam or not. However, one of the different things about the Merkava is that the engine is in front.. so even if a round penetrated the frontal armor it would have to go through the engine before getting to the crew. Something also of interest it seems to incorparate a lot of the defensive measures / electronics that the LeClerc uses (although of Isreali manufacture). Isreal - I think also pioneered some of the "crew saving" technology that most western tanks have incorparated.. I beleive it was the earlier Merkava series that started the sealed ammo compartments designed to blow out and away from the tank if hit. All and All it looks like the C2 is heavier and is certainly packing the latest hight tech armor.. so over all survivability it would seem to go to the Challanger - but the Merkava 4 probably will be well liked by its crews.. So many of these arguments are so situational its hard to come up with a single "truth".
 
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