Chieftain HESh vs T-64 and T-72 1967 to 1973?

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flamingknives RE:Chieftain HESh vs T-64 and T-72 1967 to 1973? 4/8/2006 12:05:32 PM

HESH has a rather useful effect of blowing the carp out of whatever it hits. There were some trials in the late '50s on a Conqueror heavy tank using a Malkara missile, which has a HESH warhead, although it is a bit bigger than a 120mm shell. Basically, it cleared all the applique armour off the front and gave the tank (60 tonnes plus) a good rattling.

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StobieWan RE:Chieftain HESh vs T-64 and T-72 1967 to 1973? 4/8/2006 7:02:54 PM

That was my impression - when the Chieftain entered service, there were a number of practise shoots against Centurions and Conquerors as static range targets and the results were visually spectacular - road wheels, stowage bins, anything not bolted down and quite a bit that was, tossed to one side.

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Horsesoldier RE:Chieftain HESh vs T-64 and T-72 1967 to 1973? 4/8/2006 8:48:08 PM

>>When a round hits the ERA, the only blocks that usually blow are those struck by the projectile. Getting a second round in the same place is tough. You may have to hit the target 3-4 times before you can get a hit on bare armor. << I've heard it claimed that HESH/HEP type rounds can trigger sympathetic detonation of ERA panels -- actually the claim (and I don't pretend to know how valid it was) was that HESH rounds could trigger a vehicle-wide set of sympathetic detonations, scrubbing all the ERA off a vehicle, and most everything else on the exterior of the vehicle, with a single hit. May just be a myth, however . . .

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boris the romanian RE:Chieftain HESh vs T-64 and T-72 1967 to 1973? 5/2/2006 6:41:00 AM

To the best of my recollection, T-64B had spaced laminate armour in both the turret and glacis, making for a very difficult HESH target, though the first generation Combination-K glacis on the T-64A and the laminate inserts on the turret would have offered considerably inferior protection. I'd say that a HESH round would definately inflict a hell of a lot of damage on the T-64A regardless of whether or not the armour was defeated, but the frontal projection would have probably saved it from a catastrophic kill. The T-64B, OTOH, would fare very much better, and it was superior in armoured protection to all T-72 variants until the T-72B. All ERA equipped Soviet vehicles would severely degrade, if not totally defeat HESH, making a APFSDS round much more desirable, especially for the frontal projection.

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Carl S RE:Chieftain HESh vs T-64 and T-72 1967 to 1973? 5/10/2006 7:26:47 AM

I dont know about HESH. There was a example of a M60 hit by a 203mm HE round in training. It did not penetrate. The 15 odd kilos of explosive did strip the exterior, including radio antenna. The crew were badly concussed. Cant recall any description of interior damage.

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Desertmole Arty Rounds 5/18/2006 1:36:16 AM

Large caliber artillery rounds (IIRC 152mm and bigger) will do that to a tank. This was found to be true in WWII. A close (usually less than 5 meters) will strip antennas, may damage sights, possibly break track and generally cause a lot of mayhem. The concussion will stun the crews as well. A very old miniatures game, Tractics, had a provision for it in the rules (I believe they were written around 1970).

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