Chieftain HESh vs T-64 and T-72 1967 to 1973?

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Yimmy RE:Chieftain HESh vs T-64 and T-72 1967 to 1973? 3/16/2006 1:45:16 PM

I would say yes, certainly. Unless either thank has much spaced armour, which I do not believe they do.

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Edmund RE:Chieftain HESH vs T-64 and T-72 1967 to 1973? 3/16/2006 2:07:59 PM

I don't think they have spaced armour either. But not sure. Just saw some estimates on T-64 and T-72 1967-73 as having between 350 to 400mm armour up front. Also 420mm to 520mm against HEAT. The higher HEAT value is from composites not spaced armour I understand. So was curious whether HESH could stop them. I am not an expert so just asking questions. Thanks.

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Horsesoldier RE:Chieftain HESH vs T-64 and T-72 1967 to 1973? 3/16/2006 4:20:56 PM

The Soviets always claimed the T-64 was superior to the T-72, but the former never having seen any action it is an open question. In any case, I'd think Chieftain HESH would produce acceptable lethality levels against either tank.

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flamingknives RE:Chieftain HESH vs T-64 and T-72 1967 to 1973? 3/16/2006 5:23:25 PM

The 120mm HESH fired by the Conqueror was apparently good for 130mm+ of armour. That might not sound much, but remember that it isn't particularly angle sensitive. 130mm at 60 degrees from the vertical is still just 130mm to HESH. Plus Conqueror was a previous generation to the Chieftain.

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bunkerdestroyer RE:Chieftain HESh vs T-64 and T-72 1967 to 1973? 3/19/2006 12:22:00 AM

I think yes for the t-72 with less armour and not with the t-64..... By then, the t-64 was an improved variant of the earlier models and yet better armour(including optics/engine, etc) and the t-72 was the earliest variant-vunerible to the hesh.....

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Edmund RE:Chieftain HESh vs T-64 and T-72 1967 to 1973? 3/21/2006 9:41:13 AM

Thanks for the replies. I wish they would release information on HESH damage or a video of HESH hitting a T-72. Maybe in another 20 years.

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flamingknives RE:Chieftain HESh vs T-64 and T-72 1967 to 1973? 3/21/2006 4:42:21 PM

Information on HESH damage isn't too hard to come by. You just need to look in the right places. Quite a bit is in the public domain though.

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Desertmole RE:Chieftain HESh vs T-64 and T-72 1967 to 1973? 3/24/2006 8:12:13 AM

Guys, You forgot the T-64 and T-72 both had reactive armor over their hulls and turrets. It would nullify HESH. We had a lot of discussion about it in the late '70s - early '80s when pictures started emerging about them.

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flamingknives RE:Chieftain HESh vs T-64 and T-72 1967 to 1973? 3/24/2006 9:38:05 AM

It would nullify HESH once. After that, there wouldn't be any more ERA. Do you happen to know when ERA made it into wide-scale issue?

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Desertmole RE:Chieftain HESh vs T-64 and T-72 1967 to 1973? 4/8/2006 6:56:58 AM

The Soviets were using it on the T-64 and T-72, but not sure exactly when (mid '70s, I think). The Israelis were, I think, the first Western Army to adopt it, sometime in the '80s. When a round hits the ERA, the only blocks that usually blow are those struck by the projectile. Getting a second round in the same place is tough. You may have to hit the target 3-4 times before you can get a hit on bare armor.

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