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Subject: BMP vs. Bradley: Which is better
wrathofachilles    12/30/2005 3:28:50 PM
Which would you rather have? The Bradley is more effective in combat from what I've read, but is also more expensive and has a high incidence of breakage. Should the US have just copied the BMP rather than design the Bradley? How does the M2A3 compare to the BMP-3M? Can either survive an RPG hit? How does the Bradley's performace in Iraq compare to the BMP's performace in Chechnya?
 
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flamingknives    RE:BMP vs. Bradley: Which is better   3/19/2006 3:23:51 PM
I'd rather ride in the back of a Bradley than the back of a BMP3, assuming that I would even fit in a BMP3. The BMP3 is a mish-mash of light tank, IFV and recce vehicle. Consequently, I rather suspect that it does none of its intended roles particularly well.
 
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bunkerdestroyer    RE:40mm grenade vs BMP-2   3/19/2006 3:30:16 PM
2 points on the 40mm. I dont know how accurate #1 is, but.... I think in grenada, at least 1 or 2 bmp-1 were taken out by m-203s-dont know the range.... #2-about the accuracy; I have seen a few clips of soldiers being deadly accurate-while under fire with their 203-one taking out a sniper-what...350 yds away or so, and another hitting a door of a walled compound from what seemed like 150 to 200 yrs. Granted, not moving, but for the one under fire.... If a apc is generally only protected from 7.62, I would def. say that a m-203 would make it toast, and even if it protected from up to 12.7/14/5mm... now with reactive armour/modular, etc, I think taking out the track or the engine compartment would be the trick and do-able
 
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SteelGear    RE:BMP vs. Bradley: Which is better   3/19/2006 10:52:02 PM
Oh dear....another 'A vs B which is better' post. Short Answer.....American's have the edge in technology and capability over the Russians so I say the winner is the Bradley but it really comes down to crew quality.
 
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Bluewings    RE:BMP vs. Bradley: Which is better   3/20/2006 11:05:59 AM
Let me put it this way : Put a well trained US Crew in a Brad and another well trained US Crew in a BMP-3 , I put my money on the BMP-3 . Cheers .
 
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Horsesoldier    RE:40mm grenade vs BMP-2   3/20/2006 12:10:50 PM
>>Granted, not moving, but for the one under fire....<< Moving target with a 40mm grenade at any real range is probably more of a luck shot than a skill shot, especially from an M203 or the like, where you can't walk rounds on like with an Mk 19. >> If a apc is generally only protected from 7.62, I would def. say that a m-203 would make it toast, and even if it protected from up to 12.7/14/5mm... now with reactive armour/modular, etc, I think taking out the track or the engine compartment would be the trick and do-able << 40mm HEDP will easily penetrate a BMP-1 or -2. It should do the same to a BMP-3 at anything beyond point blank range, since its plunging fire and would essentially be a top attack.
 
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Horsesoldier    RE:BMP vs. Bradley: Which is better   3/20/2006 12:13:48 PM
>>Bradley/BMP-3 is no contest . BMP-3 wins hands down . That does not mean the Bradley is a bad APC (I love it actually), but it is outclassed big time .<< Um, yeah, sure. Have any particular smidgeon of proof, or even specific opinion, to back up this claim? -A3 Bradley versus BMP-3 one on one is not even a contest. All other things being equal, the BMP-3 brews up and dies. A platoon of BMP-3Ms against an -A3 Bradley might be a decent challenge . . .
 
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Bluewings    RE:BMP vs. Bradley: Which is better   3/20/2006 2:22:46 PM
If we look at the specs of each vehicule , the BMP-3 look very deadly . Its 30mm 2A72 automatic gun will engage at the same distance than the Bushmaster but its 100mm 2A70 semi-automatic rifled gun/missile launcher can engage at up to 4000m and a HEAT round is much faster than the TOW . BMP-3 has the Shtora defensive aids system to counter incoming missiles , the vehicule can swim , the Brad can 't . It is highly maneuvrable , fast enough and its optics includes a 1V539 ballistic computer, 2E52 electro-mechanical armament stabiliser and 1D16 laser rangefinder. The gunner has a 1K13-2 main sight, a combined image-intensified day/night sight and PPD-1 standby day sight. The commander has a 1PZ-10 day sight and TKN-3 combined day and image-intensified night sight. The BMP-3 ICV's delivered to the United Arab Emirates has a French build SAGEM Namut thermal sight too . All in all , it is a very nice vehicule if you ask me ... Cheers .
 
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Bluewings    RE:BMP vs. Bradley: Which is better   3/20/2006 2:26:38 PM
I forgot to add that BMP-3 latest turret has the ARENA-E hardkill system . The TOW will most likely be taken out before it hits ... Cheers .
 
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flamingknives    RE:BMP vs. Bradley: Which is better   3/20/2006 2:54:54 PM
I rather suspect that a Bradley would be using 25mm DU rather than TOW, since in order to be light enough to float, the BMP3 cannot have much in the way of armour. The BMP may be a nice light tank, but it's bigger than it needs to be in order to carry infantry. On the other hand, as an IFV, it's got to be a pretty horrid experience for the infantry. There's precious little space in the back of a BMP1, which has much more room in the back than either the 2 or 3. Armour and ergonomics are where the BMPs fall down, with optional quality issues. I'd take one over an M3 for cavalry recon - lower profile and just room for a couple of dismount, plus suitable firepower to cover a withdrawal and dissuade pursuit - but for a Mech. inf IFV, the Bradley is easily superior.
 
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Bluewings    RE:BMP vs. Bradley: Which is better   3/20/2006 6:40:39 PM
BMP-3 can accomodate 7 Troopers with all their equippement , even 2 more if no portable ATGMs are carried . I cannot see any problem with that . After all , the M2A2 carries only 6 Troopers ... A Suedish friend of mine was on BMP-2 for a long time and he never told me of the "pretty horrid experience" he suffered ... Cheers .
 
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