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Subject: The future of the LIGHT tank
Thomas    6/2/2003 4:54:53 AM
The MBT is the queen of the battle field - no doubt about it. But there are limitations. As MBT gets lager, better armoured with bigger guns, there is an increasing part of the terrain they can't go to. Which to an extend defeats the purpose of the tank: Go anywhere, kill anything and in one piece afterwards. There are two factors here weight and physical size. It makes it difficult to use tank in for instance heavily wooded terrain: Range is cut by trees, mines easy to hide, easily stopped by wood chopping. Secondly the bigger tank the bigger the supply-problem: If the tanks themselves are not vulnerable, the trucks carrying the fuel and ammo are. Thirdly: as the tank get bigger, they get more expensive all around: Purchase, training, and maintainence: You'll have fewer of them. Fourthly: The bad guy's withdraw into cities, mountains and woods - as they have allways done. The answer to that appears to be more (light) infantry, but that to some extend means giving up the advantage of a balanced force. Proposition: Can we make a light tank with enough protection to stand off RPG and small arms and mines. With a smaller caliber gun, with shorter range to make automatic loading a viable choice, to reduce crew, to reduce size. I've always liked the british Scimitar/Saracen series for such scenarioes - maybe I'm wrong. I would like to see the usual creative and informed comments - hope You will too.
 
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Massive    RE:To track or not to track - oldbutnotwise   9/1/2003 3:56:34 AM
Sounds a lot like an M-113 with a 1 man turret and applique armour to me!
 
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oldbutnotwise    RE:To track or not to track - oldbutnotwise   9/1/2003 4:17:45 AM
for a recon role isnt a m113 a bit big? afterall it is a troop transport. add a turret and you have a mighty big vehicle to hide but otherwise its getting there
 
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Massive    RE:To track or not to track - oldbutnotwise   9/1/2003 4:22:00 AM
The Australian army has been using turreted M113s in a recon role for a long time. They are being replaced in this role by the ASLAV (aka Stryker) - which has an even higher profile!
 
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oldbutnotwise    RE:To track or not to track - oldbutnotwise   9/1/2003 5:36:01 AM
sounds more politcal than practical
 
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Heorot    RE:To track or not to track - oldbutnotwise   9/2/2003 5:22:34 AM
Whats wrong with the old concept of Scout Cars for recce. Types like the Daimler Dingo and the Ferret (not the turreted version). The Dingo was fast, had solid tyres that couldn't be shot out and enough armour to protect against small arms. With no real defensive weapons there was no incentive to try to slug it out, it had to run. And 58 mph in reverse is pretty quick.
 
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oldbutnotwise    RE:To track or not to track - oldbutnotwise   9/2/2003 7:11:59 AM
nothing, other than the point about tracks going places wheels cannot the other point is that deaths are unacceptable so the army(s) need vehicles that protect even if they end up overwieght and unsuitable for the job
 
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Heorot    RE:To track or not to track - oldbutnotwise   9/2/2003 8:11:26 AM
"the other point is that deaths are unacceptable so the army(s) need vehicles that protect even if they end up overwieght and unsuitable for the job" and thus more likely to get the occupants killed.
 
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Shaka of Carthage    RE:To track or not to track - scout cars ?   9/2/2003 10:44:51 AM
I think the problem with Scout Cars, is that they have become speciality vehicles. No one can afford to build small production runs of speciality vehicles. Its alot cheaper to take a mass produced vehicle and modify it.
 
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Heorot    RE:To track or not to track - scout cars ? - Shaka.   9/2/2003 5:06:42 PM
I don?t think that I can agree with you on that Shaka. What?s complicated about a scout car? It would be a damn sight cheaper to produce a few hundred of these than the equivalent number of Strykers.
 
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Shaka of Carthage    RE:To track or not to track - scout cars ? - Heorot   9/2/2003 5:20:09 PM
True, that 200 scout cars would be cheaper than 200 Strykers. But if I am producing 2,000 Strykers, adding another 200 lessens the overall Stryker unit cost. In this case, those extra 200 Strykers would be cheaper than having to produce a new product that only has a production run of 200. Don't forget that the intial run has to absorb all of the development and startup costs of establishing that production run. While the addtional Strykers have an additional 2000 units to spread the development cost among, assuming it hasn't been paid for already. Then you have all the indirect costs of having to establish a seperate infrastructure to support the "scout car". Different maintenance training, spare parts, etc. Its alot simple to modify your APCs (M113) or IFVs (Bradley) to perform those specialized roles.
 
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