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Subject: Tank or Jagdpanzer, the first vehicle to mount an effective railgun...
boris the romanian    3/15/2005 8:27:58 AM
I was just curious about opinions regarding the probable mount for the first service rail gun. This is just hypothetical.

I think the first vehicle to mount a rail gun as its main weapon will be a vehicle with a hull mounted weapon rather than a turreted MBT. I say this for several reasons:

a) An effective railgun is incredibly complicated. First generation systems will probably be large and bulky, making carriage in a revolving turret very much more difficult.

b) The single most important use for a rail gun is in the antitank role, with CE railgun projectiles being very difficult to produce because of the enormous stress the fuse will have to take during accelleration. Also, conventional guns are just fine when it comes to firing HEAT or HE-FRAG, whereas APFSDS rounds are arguably reaching their limits of effectiveness against some of the more advanced armours being fielded by current MBTs and also what's on the horizon.

If the main gun was mounted in the hull, fire-on-the-move capability would suffer dramatically (to be almost non existent), but the tank destroyer could still be used offensively if it has effective armour and can destroy first-rate MBTs at more than double the range it is itself capable of being destroyed at.

c) A rail gun would give off phenomenal chemical (assuming a small charge is used to start the projectile off) and electromagnetic recoil. This would be very much better absorbed directly by the vehicle's suspension than any turret ring.

d) The overall development and production costs would be considerably reduced if the full traverse of the gun were done away with. Given that rail guns are already very expensive to develop and the associated systems add to the price, fixed or limited traverse seems to be the way to go (initially). Tactical limitations would exist, yes, but the dramatic power of the gun would be a huge advantage.

e) The Jagdpanther just looks so damn cool!! I'm probably biased, but if I were the one allocating the funds, I'd rather go for a larger number of highly effective modern Jagdpanthers in specialist Panzerjager battalions rather than a much smaller number of much more expensive (but more effective) rail gun-armed MBTs. Bearing in mind that modern MBTs are already exceptional at engaging soft targets and a rail gun might have some problems with firing CE ammunution, I think it is fine to "beef up" divisions equipped with current tanks by attaching a TD battalion at Army or Front level.

That's just my two cents (the armour board was so dead I'd thought I'd spice things up around here :-), any thoughts...?

 
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Azurhan    RE:Tank or Jagdpanzer, the first vehicle to mount an effective railgun...   3/15/2005 1:26:39 PM
I'd honestly thought that the first vehicles to mount a railgun style weapon would actually be Naval as opposed to land based, since refitting a battle ship's main guns with rail cannon would not only take care of the immence amount of energy it would take to manage the electromagnectic weapon, it would also give the developers all the room in the world to put the cannon on a traversing carrage and the impressive recoil that you are mentioning would be easily dealt with by the ships bouyancy. However, it would make sence if the next generation Paladin mobile howitzer carried a fixed railgun...if they can make a power source that can support these awsome cannons that is small enough to not reuqire a ships nuclear engines to make it work
 
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doggtag    Railguns firing CE shells   3/15/2005 1:34:49 PM
The solution here is quite easy: we already have insensitive munitions (explosive doesn't catch fire or ignite under high-G stresses, like dropped from certain distances): all we need to do is turn down the power. We don't need to fire HE-container shells (or long range PGMs) at the same velocities as AP rounds. Even an extra 500-1000m/s could give current arty a considerable range boost, but we have no need of firing HE at over 2 miles/sec.
 
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big79    RE:Railguns firing CE shells   3/22/2005 1:22:56 AM
unless you want to increase the range of a howitzer. two ways to get longer range more speed, or less weight. higher speed and greater range also allow for an increase in the number of simultanious impacts from a single weapon. I heard that the navy is already looking into lasers to replace the 5inch gun
 
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Eagle601    RE:Railguns firing CE shells   3/22/2005 2:19:45 AM
If I recall the FCS and MEFFV might mount EM cannons that are basically small rail guns with less recoil and lower power requirements. Their main edge is that by eliminating the propellant charge you can increase the number of rounds carried greatly. For example the next US tank might carry 100 rounds for its EM cannon while the Abrams has 40 for its conventional gun.
 
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vince870    RE:Railguns firing CE shells   3/22/2005 11:06:21 PM
I think if a rail gun were to be mounted on a ship depending on the weight of the projectile it will not need exploding munitions. The ship could fire many miles inland and destroy land bases targets with kinetic energy alone. This would requier the projectile to reach a very high alltitude to generate the enormouse amount of speed on the way down. I read about a satilite that could drop large tungsten rodes on targes and the speed alone could creat an explosive efect great enough to destroy bunkers kinda like a small meteor ofcours its never been made. I may be wrong though
 
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EW3    RE:Tank or Jagdpanzer, the first vehicle to mount an effective railgun...   3/22/2005 11:48:48 PM
Latest on the Navy system. They seem to be working on it with the Army. link
 
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