Such a kind of peaceful fellas, those palestinian !

They are so peaceful they will drown the Jews in the Jews and carpet bomb Tel-Aviv will fantasizing mass rape of Jewish Women, yes they are peaceful !

I still don't understand who does many morons who happens to denouce at every turn still give a damn to the palestinians?

Is this pure blindeness such has the the one make them fantasize mass murderer Che Guevara as ''anti-imperialist'' ? 

Every american president when confronted with home unrest play the card of ''peace talks'' between Israel and palestine ... and believe that there is ''moderate'' palestinians. Sure Israel need to play along because they need US weapons to keep : Hezbolla,Hamas,Siria,Iran from sending them to the deep mediteranean

where the palestinians fool themself is that time is not in their favour, Israel are not only making babies like crazies, but they are improving their economy and defense

within 50 years, palestinian will be reduced less than 30% of the regions population ... and still using stones and ak-47 will getting bomber by Israeli UAV

I just wonder how long the palestinian fanatism will take to surrender to .... reality ! 

A parallel could also be drawn with Croatia who was an ally of the Nazi regime during World War 2. Many western Europeans have forgotten this part of their history but the US and Germany had been very prompt to support Croatia during the Yugoslavia crisis in the Mid 90s. During World War 2 Croatia and particularly the Croatians were die hard ally of the Nazi regime just like Mussollini and Hirohito. However during the Yugoslavia crisis, the US and particularly Germany had sent amunitions and logistics to the Croatians against Serbia who were then ally of the West in World War 2. This had permitted the Croatians to push for an offensive to conquer large part of the Adriatic coast. In fact may German tourists like to spend their vacation in the Adriatic coast that is why Germany had pushed for Croatia to conquer militarily the whole part of the Adriatic coast which is the only tourist resort attraction of former Yugoslavia. The Adriatic coast should also have belonged to Bosnia. The West also has closed their eyes in the many atrocities and civilians killings that Croatia had committed during the crisis.
-Germany and Croatia are still very close and this relationship had permitted Croatia to be a member of Nato and the EU. Croatian are known for being very racists and nationalists. They continue to be very supportive of the Nazi regime and they use to raise their hands in the Nazi salute position when their national antelme is being played in honour of their football team. This could always be seen in television. 

-The West particularly the US has also forgotten the many war crimes and atrocities that Japan had committed during World War 2. The Japanese had killed a lot of GIs and US pilots who were captured, are being tortured and they were subject to virus inoculation (virus like typhoid was voluntarily injected to US pilots as experiment perhaps for bio chemical warfare experimentation) and they were subject to vivisection. Even in the vietnam war US pilots had not been illtreated and tortured like that. In fact torture and masochism are very present in Japanese culture.

-Similarly many British soldiers were also subject to the above by the Japanese and the Japanese Government had systhematically refused to apologize for such war crimes (BBC, Skynews) because apologies are weaknesses for Japanese.

-Likewise during the invasion of China by imperial Japan, Japanese soldiers had indulged in mass killings of civilians mainly women, children and babies through bombings of residential areas in Shanghai and Nankin. Civilians were buried alive and babies were given to dogs. This was then known as the Nankin massacre by Historians. Japan has neve apologized for such atrocity.

-Similarly Korean and Chinese women were captured and sent to satisfy the Japanese warcriminals soldiers.

There is  a great hostility against Japan in Asia for the above. The above is not my saying, the sources are from Wikipedia (Japanese invasion of China, Nankin Massacre in Google), History Channel, BBC archives, the British Imperial War Museum. Regarding Croatia the reports are from French TV news network. My English commnad is somewhat poor so there are much reporting and typing errors and I cannot reproduce verbatim what I have read.

Vivisection from Wikipedia at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V...

 

Human vivisection

Unit 731... (731 &&7096;&&8538;, Nana-san-ichi butai^?), a covert biological... and chemical warfare... research and development unit of the Imperial Japanese Army... undertook lethal human experimentation... during the Second Sino-Japanese War... (1937?1945) and World War II....

• Prisoners of war were subjected to vivisection without anesthesia.^[12]...
• Vivisections were performed on prisoners after infecting them with various diseases. Scientists performed invasive surgery on prisoners, removing organs to study the effects of disease on the human body. These were conducted while the patients were alive because it was feared that the decomposition process would affect the results.^{[13]...[14]...}
• Vivisections were also performed on pregnant women, sometimes impregnated by doctors, and the fetus... removed.^[15]
• Some prisoners' limbs... were frozen and amputated, while others had limbs frozen then thawed to study the effects of the resultant untreated gangrene... and rotting.
• Prisoners had limbs amputated... in order to study blood loss. ^[16]...
• Some prisoners had their stomachs... surgically removed and the esophagus... reattached to the intestines....^[17]...
• Parts of the brain..., lungs..., liver..., etc. were removed from some prisoners.^[18]...

In 2007, Doctor Ken Yuasa... testified to the Japan Times that, "I was afraid during my first vivisection, but the second time around, it was much easier. By the third time, I was willing to do it." He believes at least 1,000 persons, including surgeons, were involved in vivisections throughout mainland China.^[19]

What damn disturbing stuff man ! I mean war at this pace is madness !

I bet that if in the unlikely event of a complate rout of the IDF you will see the new standard of barbary commit to the Israeli 

Croatian involvement with Nazis is not that simple. There was Ustasi movement supported by fascist Italy. In parallel, there was a communist movement supported by Soviet Union.

 

Before WWII, by far the most popular Croatian party was "Party of Peasants" which was renewed in 1990. It was, civil, conservative party. As the war grows closer, fascist received equipment, money and other support from Italy, Communists received support from Soviet Union, but civil parties had no international sponsor, because Europe supported Serbian King., because Croatia was part of the Kingdom of Yugoslavia.

 

In 1941 Yugoslavia was occupied by Germany and Italy, who installed Ustasi regime in Zagreb. Officially Croatia was part of Kingdom of Italy, with Italian king from Savoy family. At that moment, civil parties become irrelevant, with no backing from any major player, and people took sides either with fascist, who supported independent Croatia, or with communists, who supported Yugoslavia. Italy took the whole Croatian Adriatic coast, and Croatia became a landlocked country. So, neither option was in the interest of Croatia, and people had to choose between two evils.

 

Both of my grandfathers have chosen not to support any side, for example, which was possible, because they lived in the part occupied by Italy. If they were in the part governed by Ustasi, they would have been subjected to compulsory military service. They only way to escape  serving with Ustasi would have been to flee and join communist resistance. So, lesser evil was not an easy choice at that time.

DG

First, I'm European (Portuguese actually) and I deplore the popular european's left wing always so happy to be anti-american while enjoy a life of prosperity which security is mainly provided by american's dollars and blood. Though I'm happy that the portuguese Commandos are not getting out of Afeghanistan and that we make our contribution.

 

Second, I do not go with palestinian propaganda, and many times I feel thankfull to Israel for keeping closed the gates on East Mediterranian and wonder how do we portuguese, spanishs and in lesser extent, french and italians will do the same on Western Mediterranian when the time comes.

 

However, I think this site point of view is not historically correct. The Jews were mainly expelled from the land which

 

Native American tribes are "nations" inside our Federal Republic. They are also Americans. This is something you do not understand. 

 

Let Mexico try. Mexicans who come here and become Americans are most welcome. Their so called 'type of government' is NOT. 

 

H.

So, it's true that palestinians, many of them, are little more than terrorists, but what would you do if even the lands that 1948 UN division gave to them are continuously ocupied by Israel?

You have forgotten that Palestinians, with help of other Arabs attacked Israel in 1948, in an attempt to wipe it out. Israel managed to repel and counterattack, occupying Palestinian territories.All you people keep forgetting that Arabs and only Arabs, and nobody but Arabs, started the war, back in 1948. They had and still have much more manpower and resources.

 

Arabs living in Israel are able to have decent lives, they have respectable living standard, and they are represented in parliament. On the contrary, if Arabs somehow overpower Israel, they will commit an unthinkable massacre that would eclipse Holocaust by several orders of magnitude.

 

Far as I understand, Israel is willing to give up occupied territories in exchange for recognition by Arab neighbors.

 

DG

So, it's true that palestinians, many of them, are little more than terrorists, but what would you do if even the lands that 1948 UN division gave to them are continuously ocupied by Israel?

Good to see a Portuguese brother around :D

There are few historical facts that people tend to ignore in relation of Israeli-Palestinian conflict:

1- Jews lived in palestine prior to 1948 for at least 2000 years

2- A lot of Jews which came by 1948 buy a lot of hands from the palestinians

3- The Arabs AND the Palestinians rejected the British partition plans because they couldn't live with the very existence of Israel, and they (Egypt, Jordan, Iraq, Siria, Palestinian) attack the Israelis. The Israelis beated the crap out of them and conquered territories to guaranty the safety and the survival of Israel since the Arab plan was about whipping out Israel. I believe that people who are familiar with military matters agree with me that because of price in blood and treasure, the Israeli have a right of conquest over the conquered lands.

4- The Arabs expulsed the Jews from their countries and they moved to Israeli ... will they said refused to absorb the Palestian refugee

5- The arab tried o whipe out the Israeli again 20 year again.

Has a portueguese, I bet you are familiar with the Angolan independence War when the Portuguese army gave up in 1975, thus triggering the exile of thousand of portugueses ... but other thousand of ''Mestisos'' or Mixed Portuguese/Angolan people who staid there for generations. Those refused to go back to portugal and staid despite the fact that one of the factions of wanted a ''all black'' republic, they staid and faced the fight of the civil war instead of embarking on ships for Europe. Has descendant of one of those ''white portuguese'', I understand why the Israeli who were born and grown in Israeli are fighting for their right to live while the Palestinian have no other ambition than to whipe them off the map

People who criticise Israel are certainly the same who critizised Rodhesia and Pre-1992 South Africa, and fail to grasp the nature of the situation:

- People who hate you because of your race (white or Jew), which are not only interested in taking over, but exterminating and expulsing you all

- You are outnumbered, and scared ... thus a strong leadership and measures seems to be the only solution, this is why South Africa was taken over by Apartheid radical because people were scared that the ANC will take over instaure communism and expulse all the Boers especially when the Cubans showed up in Angola

- In Rodhesia ... now Zimbabwe ... Robert Mugabe just stripped the whites from their rights and property ... and I'm sure South Africa would have passed by the same experience.

I'm not legitimazing Apartheid ... just putting in perspective how a people submited to the threat of extermination from extremism may to ensure their survive hand their fate to leaders of extremes methode. But when the ANC shifted to a more moderate position, especially why Nelson Mandela abandoning armed struggle and expulsion and extermination of the rights.

Unless the palestinians stop with their radical views, the Israeli will never give up the fight has they have no intention of being exterminated and drown on the mediteranean

If the IDF was to be decisively defeated, the Arab and Palestinian would commit extreme attrocities against the Israeli civilians