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Subject: Unwanted Hogs To The Rescue Again
SYSOP    12/10/2014 5:55:19 AM
 
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timon_phocas       12/10/2014 9:07:01 AM
my son is a joint-fires qualified forward observer in the Army. 2 tours in Afghanistan. He says he prefers F-15's over A-10's for air support. A-10's fly low enough to be seen and heard, so enemies scatter and hide. F-15's fly high enough to be mostly invisibe, so the enemy doesn't take cover before bombs drop. That's his opinion.
 
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timon_phocas       12/10/2014 9:24:08 AM
my son is a joint-fires qualified forward observer in the Army. 2 tours in Afghanistan. He says he prefers F-15's over A-10's for air support. A-10's fly low enough to be seen and heard, so enemies scatter and hide. F-15's fly high enough to be mostly invisibe, so the enemy doesn't take cover before bombs drop. That's his opinion.
 
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HR    timon   12/10/2014 9:33:29 AM
If the two forces are in close proximity and engaged would your son still prefer the F-15?
 
There is a type of close-air support that only slow and low flying air crafts can do.
 
Plus I suspect that in Syria  you need the loiter time and observation ability that the A-10 provides.
 
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dlr       12/10/2014 10:10:45 AM
So why don't senior commanders like it then?
 
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TravisM       12/10/2014 10:16:55 AM
But... but... F-35!
 
 
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vahitkanig       12/10/2014 11:21:06 AM
I quess A-10 will be obsolete with  the  developmenet  of  manpads.Plus  I dont  think  that  during  the  war  of Wietman  or  Afganistan  couldnot  get  proper  anti-aircraft  fire whic  at  a real  combat scenario is  inevitable...
Ground  Attack Aircarft needs  low stall speed to get  visiual  confirmation  of  ground  target and  deliver bombs preciesly.    
 
    F-35  technicall zero  stall speed.If  they can  develop F-35's  STVOL capability to  ensure  low  stall speed  during  flight   F-35  will be  good  choice , plus  with STOVL  cabability  can  land on , take  of  around  vicinity  of support  troops.
 
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TravisM       12/10/2014 11:24:35 AM
Although the F-35 will operationally not likely be in the same exact environment as the A-10 (low and slow), I imagine that it would take far less firepower to knock down an F-35.
 
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ka5s       12/10/2014 11:28:36 AM
If some influential congressmen didn't have A-10's based in their districts we'd have none left at all,  I once rad that during one of these "get rid of mud-movers" spasms, the AF was "willing" to give them to the Army -- if they were (much as tie OV-1) flown without weapons! No CAS for the Army; THAT is reserved for the Air Force, doncha know?
 
"By the early 1990s, all A-10s had been shifted to the reserve component (Air Force Reserve and Air National Guard), and the Air Force intended to replace it with F-16s optimized for close support. The First Gulf War changed all that. The 192 A-10s that fought in the war turned in such a great performance that plans for the “strike” F-16 were shelved."
"Ever since it entered the Air Force inventory in the mid 1970s, the Hog has faced its share of detractors. It was never the sleek, sexy, high-tech fighter jet that some many of the Air Force brass get enamored with.  The A-10 has been on the DoD’s chopping block several times over the past four decades. Prior to the A-10 proving its worth during Operation Desert Storm, the Air Force planned to replace it with a CAS version of the F-16."
 
And from a 2002 document, proving that all things old can be new again:
"...in the years since the Gulf War critics of the A-10 have been retconning the Hog's success. They say that the praise was due to the enthusiasm of the moment, and that reexamination of its performance shows it actually wasn't that good. Those who know what the plane really did aren't paying them much attention. "
 
 
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keffler25       12/10/2014 11:50:04 AM
Not the way CAS works any more (or in fact ever worked since Vietnasm [or Korea... or WWII ). Ignore this one, (HR).
 
Hint: EYES on the ground and a man/guidance system who talks/steers the pilot and or /weapon launch system in.  
 

If the two forces are in close proximity and engaged would your son still prefer the F-15?

 

There is a type of close-air support that only slow and low flying air crafts can do.

 

Plus I suspect that in Syria  you need the loiter time and observation ability that the A-10 provides.

 
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keffler25       12/10/2014 11:55:54 AM
This guy gets it right (read below), except that with PGMs, the automation is in the weapon and once released the pilot can only hold the pipper on the aim point and trust blindly that the guy on the ground told him true. Otherwise its blue on blue and what a snafu. Speed matters only in the weapon. The launch platform has to stay out of enemy reach. 

 
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