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Subject: Problems That Are Older Than Islam
SYSOP    8/21/2014 5:47:31 AM
 
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avatar3    Chattels   8/21/2014 8:49:34 AM
In the Middle East, Central Asia and South Asia women, girls and sometimes boys are considered property, just like cattle. Like any other live stock they can be used or abused as the owner decides, even sold or killed. This custom predates all modern legal and religious teaching so please do not try and blame this on Islam. :7{
 
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Robert Walther    Robert Walther   8/21/2014 9:43:28 AM

 
By your apologist's defective logic, the raging psychopathic killer who beheaded the newsman and recorded the murder is only a misinformed youth who needs to be rehabilitated. This lack of personal responsibility for evil, especially in the name of a 'god', is the prime reason that even the prissy, western Islamic terror apologists are deciding that he only good terrorist is a dead terrorist.
 
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Not necessarily in that order 
 
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WarNerd       8/21/2014 12:32:06 PM
In the Middle East, Central Asia and South Asia women, girls and sometimes boys are considered property, just like cattle. Like any other live stock they can be used or abused as the owner decides, even sold or killed. This custom predates all modern legal and religious teaching so please do not try and blame this on Islam. :7{
This practice may predate Islam, but that doesn't mean it had to be codified as part of the Koran.  As long as Muslims insist on living by only the strictest interpretations of the Koran, these practices cannot be rooted out.
 
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avatar3    Don't throw stones   8/21/2014 3:26:36 PM
I find this is no different than ear collecting in Vietnam, lynchings (USA), beheadings (Japanese Army), gassing Jews (Germany)or being beaten to death with a Rhino hide whip (Belgian Congo. Prior to 1900 we civilized people have hanging and quartering (English) branding and blinding by hot poker (all countries), scalping (French), strangling (Spanish), burning at the stake (Catholic), impaling (Balkans), tarring (the Colonies), foot chopping (American), slavery, infecting with plague. Then there are older styles of execution, stoning (Hebrew), the cross, decimation, the arena, and being thrown from a high point. All by "civilized" peoples.
 
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Johnny       8/21/2014 3:29:51 PM
Robert, James Foley's murder is not an 'honour' killing. I would also like to point out that in southern Europe, a very christian part of of the world for centuries, 'honour' killings were fairly frequent until recently and often treated leniently by the local courts.
You are conflating two different, but equally horrible, things.  
 
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avatar3    The Koran   8/21/2014 3:43:39 PM
My copy of the Koran must be different then what the rest of you are reading. My copy calls for support of the widowed and orphaned, mercy and justice to the vanquished. I find nothing about kidnapping and head chopping. I also think it interesting that this crime seems to have ben committed by an Englishman. My Irish friends are not surprised.
 
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Nate Dog    avatar   8/21/2014 7:40:08 PM
You play fast and loose with your interpretations friend.
An englishman is an amazing way to describe that ISIS scum bag whom beheaded an innocent man. He may have spoken with an English accent, that just means he was raised in England. He's also clearly and arab and a muslim. I have no idea what you are trying to say by him being an Englishman but its making little sense to me.
Also, yes, the Koran does stipulate in some sections on the treatment of women and orphans in a positive manner. Then there are other sections that call for their subjugation, and their killing on what may have been very forward thinking in the 7th century, but in 2014, are truly repellent reasons. Quoting things out of context doesn't advance the argument, merely weakens your side. Then theres the Islamic edict that you must obey everything in the koran, and must not change anything in it.
Yes, honour killings pre-date Islam, yes, Westerners used to have brutal methods of punishment. Operative term is used to. Using that as some kind of (excuse/justification?) for these acts is kinda nuts mate.
Its 2014, theres no place for this in our world. Not any more. 
Yes, I'm imposing my values on other peoples cultures. Yes, its arrogant. All it takes for evil to prosper is for good men to do nothing.
While primitive fuckers may not thank me for my blundering interference in their way of life, I'm at one with the fact that i'll do my best to stop vicious assholes raping and murdering women and children because its what they've always done, and then hide behind a book and say all my justifications for what I'm doing are to be found in how people lived and behave 1400 years ago.
 
If your religion calls for the killing of people, start with yourself. 
 
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HogKiller       8/21/2014 8:28:37 PM
TORTURE:  Qur’an 5:33
“The punishment for those who wage war against Allah and His
Prophet and make mischief in the land, is to murder them, crucify
them, or cut off a hand and foot on opposite sides…their doom is
dreadful.  They will not escape the fire, suffering constantly.”

Qur’an:  9:5
“When the sacred forbidden months for fighting are past, fight and
kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive,
torture them, and lie in wait and ambush them using every
stratagem of war.”
 
The internet is not a Muslim's bested buddy, that is relegated to his goats.  Go practice blowing yourself up.  Do the world and your goat a favor. 
 
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Nate Dog    Avatar   8/21/2014 8:32:20 PM
Quran (8:12)  -  "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them" 
 
Don't misunderstand me Avatar, I dont blame any of these conflagrations on Islam. They're rooted in deep seated issues that are going to be very nearly insoluble.
Having said that, burying your head in the sand and refusing to see that theres a problem with the way Islam is being preached is not helping anyones cause, least of all that of the vast majority of Muslims who have no truck with radical Islam.  
 
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keffler25       8/22/2014 12:02:45 AM
You will find that civilized peoples put a stop to those practices. (Napalm is a sure cure for everything that ails you.) Time for YOU and the rest of the whiners to grow up.
 
I find this is no different than ear collecting in Vietnam, lynchings (USA), beheadings (Japanese Army), gassing Jews (Germany)or being beaten to death with a Rhino hide whip (Belgian Congo.
Prior to 1900 we civilized people have hanging and quartering (English) branding and blinding by hot poker (all countries), scalping (French), strangling (Spanish), burning at the stake (Catholic), impaling (Balkans), tarring (the Colonies), foot chopping (American), slavery, infecting with plague.
Then there are older styles of execution, stoning (Hebrew), the cross, decimation, the arena, and being thrown from a high point.
All by "civilized" peoples.

 
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