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Subject: Why the demise of Strategic vs Tactical Army Intelligence
macawman    12/10/2003 11:27:49 PM
"A ghost is haunting Operation Iraqi Freedom ? the ghost of U.S. Army intelligence. Like Hamlet?s father at Elsinore Castle, the ubiquitous MI specter travels across Iraq in a dusty trench coat, trying to warn the Army. The haunting figure delivers the same message every bloody day and every mortar-strewn night: ?You destroyed me years ago, and the heinous effects will continue unless you change MI branch now!? The death of Army Intelligence actually began in the mid-1970s, but its ultimate demise would take years, forcing the branch to linger in agony like a terminal cancer patient. During 1975-76, congressional hearings chaired by Sen. Frank Church and Rep. Otis Pike dissected alleged intelligence abuses during the Cold War. The country was struggling through the endgame of the Vietnam War and many in Washington were looking for scapegoats. As often happens, the first victim was the intelligence community and its military counterparts. The Church Committee hearings would become a catalyst for the dismemberment of the CIA?s and Army Intelligence?s human intelligence (HUMINT) operations across the globe. The decisions made in the 1970s would have disastrous implications for the national security of the United States, playing a major role in the success of the 9/11 terrorist attacks and to our problems in Iraq today. Included on Church?s target list was Army Counter-Intelligence. Highly integrated in domestic surveillance operations with the FBI during the 1960s, Army CI was accused of violating the civil rights of Americans during undercover operations that had penetrated radical groups such as the Students for a Democratic Society (SDS) and the Weather Underground. CI soon lost much of its power to the newly-formed Defense Investigative Service. For their own reasons, Army leaders watched the Church and Pike hearings with a gleam on their faces. They finally had their chance to neutralize a branch of the Army that they had long believed was filled with weirdoes and intellectuals. In a 1974 memorandum from Secretary of the Army Howard Callaway to Army Chief of Staff Gen. Frederick Weyand, Callaway wrote of Army intelligence, ?We maintain considerable information which is of questionable value. It raises serious questions as to the cost effectiveness of our intelligence system.? Under serious pressure from the top levels of the Pentagon and federal government, a panel called the Intelligence Organization and Stationing Study (IOSS) concluded that Army intelligence was focusing too much of its resources on outdated HUMINT and CI efforts. The IOSS panel also concluded that the Army Security Agency could be scrapped and that the branch?s primary mission would now focus on tactical intelligence. Under charges that MI had not ?supported? commanders in Vietnam, it was believed that a primary concentration on tactical intelligence would ?finally support the commander in the field.? Army leaders as a whole seem to have been ecstatic about MI?s self-immolation. A press release from USAREUR HQ remarked, ?MI is fighting its way back to acceptance by the Army. Restoring the ?spook? image must be avoided.? What the leaders of MI and the Army had forgotten was the vital role that HUMINT had played in past conflicts. How would we win future wars, particularly guerilla struggles, without the proper amount of human intelligence? Over a decade later, in 1987, Maj. Gen. Julius Parker, the Chief of Military Intelligence, stated, ?Army intelligence has arrived.? In actuality, it had been terminated. A year later, in the fall of 1988, I would soon have a first-hand look at the MI Frankenstein monster that the Army had created. During my first 24 hours at Fort Huachuca, Ariz., I noticed that the branch was suffering from some type of traumatic identity crisis. The new buzzword was ?tactical.? Everything and everybody at Huachuca was now tactical. As I drove down a road on the base, I saw a company of ?the new MI? soldiers conducting a grueling road march into the Huachuca Mountains. Nearby, a platoon was scattered across the horizon on a land navigation exercise. I began to wonder if I had taken a wrong turn and ended up at Fort Benning?s Infantry School. While waiting for my security clearance to be processed, I was detailed on casual duty to the Office of the Chief of Military Intelligence. At that time, the MI Chief was Maj. Gen. Parker. My month-long stay at MI headquarters was an eye-opener to the ?Great Leap Forward? that Army intelligence had taken. MI?s new motto was, ?Always out Front,? a slogan that many soldiers in the combat arms branches thought was absolutely hilarious. When I finally started MI classes, I realized the terrible truth. As a young 2nd lieutenant, I would be assigned to either a maneuver battalion or a Combat Electronic Warfare Intelligence Battalion (CEWI), which was MI?s new bastardized version of the old Army Security Agency. Our instructors imbued in u
 
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stratego    RE:SIGINT vs HUMINT   12/9/2005 8:00:34 PM
Personally, I think the impulse to reduce HUMINT originates with agents that the Hard Left has inserted into our system, a combination of Government employees who sympathize with our enemy's, goals more than ours and agents of influence---journalists, academics, etc. under the influence and control of the Hard Left. It is interesting to contrast our view of military intelligence with the view of the Soviets as expressed in Suvorov's book, Inside the GRU. They saw military intelligence as the eyes and ears of the armed forces---absolutely essential. After brief initial attempts to focus intelligence on one organization (the predecessor to the KGB), the Soviets realized that only an intelligence force controlled by the armed forces themselves could ever adequately serve the Armed Forces--nothing else would be fast enough and subordinated enough to the interests of the military. In addition, without its own intelligence forces, the Army could never be blamed for its own failures.
 
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Carl S    RE:SIGINT vs HUMINT   12/9/2005 11:07:54 PM
The loss of HUMINT goes beyond the US Army. Back in the 1970s, while the Church committe was doing its thing with the Army the CIA was also required to refocus of nice clean high tech rather than nasty old fashioned spys. We were all told it would be a new era of scientific intell gathering. Note that the satelites, the slick signals intel gathering equipment, the reconissance aircraft stuffed with hardware, and the office complexes filled with computers to process all that data gathered, are all expensive items the defense industry can sell to the DOD. While spys cant be manufactored & sold by Martin Marrietta. Draw your own conclusions.
 
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displacedjim    RE:SIGINT vs HUMINT   12/9/2005 11:20:08 PM
"They saw military intelligence as the eyes and ears of the armed forces---absolutely essential. After brief initial attempts to focus intelligence on one organization (the predecessor to the KGB), the Soviets realized that only an intelligence force controlled by the armed forces themselves could ever adequately serve the Armed Forces--nothing else would be fast enough and subordinated enough to the interests of the military. In addition, without its own intelligence forces, the Army could never be blamed for its own failures." -- Stratego ---- Ummm, yes, and you just described U.S. military intelligence. Roughly 80% of all U.S. intelligence collection/reporting/analysis/production is by DoD, for DoD. For example, I've had my TS//SCI as an Air Force intelligence officer for about 17 years (mostly as a reservist), and my sum total use of anything from CIA in that whole time was to read some HUMINT reports from them which were of little value to us since CIA always marks everything "ORCON" and renders it too difficult to actually use in any meaningful way. CIA is basically useless to me and essentially ignored. Displacedjim
 
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Carl S    RE:SIGINT vs HUMINT   12/12/2005 6:23:26 AM
"...CIA is basically useless to me and essentially ignored. " Segue to the Desert Storm story about the Iraqi ant tank ditch as interpreted by the 'National Intelegence Agency' from satellite photos. Gag!
 
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stratego    RE:SIGINT vs HUMINT--Carl S   12/15/2005 10:35:50 PM
"while the Church committe was doing its thing with the Army the CIA was also required to refocus of nice clean high tech" This was OK until someone figured out how to make the computers really "work" for intell via data warehousing (Able Danger). Hillary's name started coming up connected to the Chinese and the plug had to be pulled. Never mind the report about this Mohammed Atta guy connected with al Queada coming to the US.
 
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stratego    RE:SIGINT vs HUMINT--displacedjim   12/21/2005 7:32:45 AM
" my sum total use of anything from CIA in that whole time was to read some HUMINT reports from them which were of little value to us since CIA always marks everything "ORCON" and renders it too difficult to actually use in any meaningful way. CIA is basically useless to me and essentially ignored." Quite interesting. (for us neophytes, ORCON means "originator controlled") I am afraid that the deficiencies of the CIA go far beyond the apparent lack of true cooperation with our military intelligence you describe. Golitsyn (KGB defector, 1961) and Angleton, in the 60's, determined that the CIA Soviet section was multiply penetrated with moles. Angleton was discredited (and Golitsyn too) before they could ID individuals and nothing was ever done. I believe the penetration was real, however. Bush recently appointed Goss to head the CIA and I believe he is conducting the first real clean up they have ever had. I am hoping for excellent results.
 
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displacedjim    RE:SIGINT vs HUMINT--displacedjim   12/21/2005 9:17:11 AM
"Golitsyn (KGB defector, 1961) and Angleton, in the 60's, determined that the CIA Soviet section was multiply penetrated with moles. Angleton was discredited (and Golitsyn too) before they could ID individuals and nothing was ever done. I believe the penetration was real, however." -- Stratego ---- Yes, I'm quite aware. You've mentioned it several times, and HiloBill ought to be on retainer from Golitsyn's estate considering the amount of lobbying he's done to alert us to The Great Deception. One of the opinions I express regarding that situation is that while it may well affect policy at high levels (since presidential administrations take their geopolitical intelligence cues from CIA), it has no practical impact at the military intelligence level since DoD bases very little of anything it does on information supplied by CIA. Thus, while a president may be influenced by the activities of moles in CIA passing false information up their chain to the National Security Council, DoD is not. Displacedjim
 
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stratego    RE:SIGINT vs HUMINT--displacedjim   12/21/2005 6:26:26 PM
I take your point and accept it---on the ground level to which you refer (ground here being rather "high level ground"---ie. the sphere of usual military concerns). On a grand strategy level of war, of course the Presidential level is where it is decided where and when the military will fight. In addition, assessments such as, "What will the reaction of the Iraqi population be to a US occupation?" are non-military but can have a great impact on military operations. Such questions are not only considered by the CIA. The State Department also participates. However, I have come to the uncomfortable conclusion that they have been completely compromised by our enemies. (I would never say that about the CIA. After all, they came up with and led execution on the great plan to invade Afghanistan. There are big problems in the CIA but also real functionality. The State Department seems, as far as I can tell, devoid of value.) Not to obviate your important point. The DoD has its own "eyes and ears", and these are in good shape. This is, indeed of central importance. But it reminds me of the story of the boxer who could handle anything but a left hook. He saw a lot of left hooks. If our military works great---and the evidence of Operation Iraqi Freedom is that it does---and State is disfunctional and the CIA flawed---our enemies will tailor their strategy to suit that situation. No military---no matter how good they are---can achieve the goal of war without external guidance---because the goal of war is always political.
 
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stratego    RE:Why the demise of Strategic vs Tactical Army Intelligence--macawman   12/21/2005 8:54:14 PM
"I was amazed how well a group of almost randomly selected MI captains could be forged into a team capable of training more dedicated, capable intel lieutenants." This jumped out at me. It speaks to how heavily the problems stemmed from the nature of the organization rather than the quality of the personnel.
 
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PARATROOP    RE:Why the demise of Strategic vs Tactical Army Intelligence   3/16/2006 12:37:02 AM
You cannot deny the practical political/military value of HUMINT. It will eventually defeat the bid budget brother of SIGNINT
 
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