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Subject: Why the demise of Strategic vs Tactical Army Intelligence
macawman    12/10/2003 11:27:49 PM
"A ghost is haunting Operation Iraqi Freedom ? the ghost of U.S. Army intelligence. Like Hamlet?s father at Elsinore Castle, the ubiquitous MI specter travels across Iraq in a dusty trench coat, trying to warn the Army. The haunting figure delivers the same message every bloody day and every mortar-strewn night: ?You destroyed me years ago, and the heinous effects will continue unless you change MI branch now!? The death of Army Intelligence actually began in the mid-1970s, but its ultimate demise would take years, forcing the branch to linger in agony like a terminal cancer patient. During 1975-76, congressional hearings chaired by Sen. Frank Church and Rep. Otis Pike dissected alleged intelligence abuses during the Cold War. The country was struggling through the endgame of the Vietnam War and many in Washington were looking for scapegoats. As often happens, the first victim was the intelligence community and its military counterparts. The Church Committee hearings would become a catalyst for the dismemberment of the CIA?s and Army Intelligence?s human intelligence (HUMINT) operations across the globe. The decisions made in the 1970s would have disastrous implications for the national security of the United States, playing a major role in the success of the 9/11 terrorist attacks and to our problems in Iraq today. Included on Church?s target list was Army Counter-Intelligence. Highly integrated in domestic surveillance operations with the FBI during the 1960s, Army CI was accused of violating the civil rights of Americans during undercover operations that had penetrated radical groups such as the Students for a Democratic Society (SDS) and the Weather Underground. CI soon lost much of its power to the newly-formed Defense Investigative Service. For their own reasons, Army leaders watched the Church and Pike hearings with a gleam on their faces. They finally had their chance to neutralize a branch of the Army that they had long believed was filled with weirdoes and intellectuals. In a 1974 memorandum from Secretary of the Army Howard Callaway to Army Chief of Staff Gen. Frederick Weyand, Callaway wrote of Army intelligence, ?We maintain considerable information which is of questionable value. It raises serious questions as to the cost effectiveness of our intelligence system.? Under serious pressure from the top levels of the Pentagon and federal government, a panel called the Intelligence Organization and Stationing Study (IOSS) concluded that Army intelligence was focusing too much of its resources on outdated HUMINT and CI efforts. The IOSS panel also concluded that the Army Security Agency could be scrapped and that the branch?s primary mission would now focus on tactical intelligence. Under charges that MI had not ?supported? commanders in Vietnam, it was believed that a primary concentration on tactical intelligence would ?finally support the commander in the field.? Army leaders as a whole seem to have been ecstatic about MI?s self-immolation. A press release from USAREUR HQ remarked, ?MI is fighting its way back to acceptance by the Army. Restoring the ?spook? image must be avoided.? What the leaders of MI and the Army had forgotten was the vital role that HUMINT had played in past conflicts. How would we win future wars, particularly guerilla struggles, without the proper amount of human intelligence? Over a decade later, in 1987, Maj. Gen. Julius Parker, the Chief of Military Intelligence, stated, ?Army intelligence has arrived.? In actuality, it had been terminated. A year later, in the fall of 1988, I would soon have a first-hand look at the MI Frankenstein monster that the Army had created. During my first 24 hours at Fort Huachuca, Ariz., I noticed that the branch was suffering from some type of traumatic identity crisis. The new buzzword was ?tactical.? Everything and everybody at Huachuca was now tactical. As I drove down a road on the base, I saw a company of ?the new MI? soldiers conducting a grueling road march into the Huachuca Mountains. Nearby, a platoon was scattered across the horizon on a land navigation exercise. I began to wonder if I had taken a wrong turn and ended up at Fort Benning?s Infantry School. While waiting for my security clearance to be processed, I was detailed on casual duty to the Office of the Chief of Military Intelligence. At that time, the MI Chief was Maj. Gen. Parker. My month-long stay at MI headquarters was an eye-opener to the ?Great Leap Forward? that Army intelligence had taken. MI?s new motto was, ?Always out Front,? a slogan that many soldiers in the combat arms branches thought was absolutely hilarious. When I finally started MI classes, I realized the terrible truth. As a young 2nd lieutenant, I would be assigned to either a maneuver battalion or a Combat Electronic Warfare Intelligence Battalion (CEWI), which was MI?s new bastardized version of the old Army Security Agency. Our instructors imbued in u
 
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macawman    MI tactical usefulness   1/22/2004 11:37:05 AM
Before the ground war stated in GWI elements of two MI Bns were situated on the front lines in fox holes waiting for the Iraqis to come across. That was about as tactical as todays Army MI can get. This was also the only practical use of tactical MI that a combat commander could use at that moment..
 
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gf0012-aus    Why the demise of Strategic vs Tactical Army Intelligence   1/23/2004 6:09:32 AM
At the risk of recent oversimplification, isn't a high degree of the responsibility for pruning HUMINT in favour of ELINT and SIGINT due to Clinton and his mistrust of orgs such as the CIA. After all, he directed cost savings on the CIA in humint resources. I have only a peripheral understanding of this issue, so if you are going to yell at me for minimising the issue take the above into consideration first. I've always wondered at this cycle, it does seem to happen periodically in a few intel services.
 
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SGTObvious    SIGINT vs HUMINT   1/26/2004 1:14:23 PM
Could it be also that SIGINT is clean and requires math and logical analysis while HUMINT is dirty, and requires manipulation and psychology?
 
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macawman    RE:SIGINT vs HUMINT   1/28/2004 8:52:50 AM
SIGINT is clean, technology driven. It also is expensive and constantly changing, and it requires a lot fewer people. HUMINT: your dealing with people, other cultures, languages and it requires lots of mature professionals. And YES dirty, lying and deceit are tools of the HUMINT trade.
 
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raymond    RE:SIGINT vs HUMINT   2/29/2004 10:08:27 PM
The principal fault I see in the original complaint is the author's mixing of metaphors. He seems to believe that all HUMINT is strategic, while all SIGINT is tactical. It seems obvious, therefore, that he has limited knowlege of the field. SIGINT, IMINT, ELINT, HUMINT, all exist at tactical, operational, and strategic levels. While I agree that an obsession with non-HUMINT is a failing, it does not equate to an obsession with tactical intelligence. Further, all US intel services have been wrapped around the ELINT, etc.. axle for 30-odd years, and Army MI cannot expect to be an exception. Which leaves one last question: Given that we have a CIA, and NSA, and an NRO, what business does MI have in the strategic intel game to begin with?
 
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Nanheyangrouchuan    RE:SIGINT vs HUMINT   3/2/2004 6:22:04 AM
I would assume MI deals specifically with the needs of the armed services while the NSA and CIA brief the Congress, the Pres and others "in the know" as well as work with allies. The CIA might not concern itself with some new type of bullet a potential enemy uses but the Army would like to know about that stuff. That's my uneducated guess anyways. Is the US getting back into active spying (marks on a garbage can) or also into passive spying (tourist in the right place at the right time sending attachments over bogus email addresses)?
 
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macawman    RE:SIGINT vs HUMINT   3/2/2004 9:52:56 AM
>>>Which leaves one last question: Given that we have a CIA, and NSA, and an NRO, what business does MI have in the strategic intel game to begin with?<<< Those above agencies use military intel people as a 'not in their budget' resource. What the military hopes to get in return is a more competent and knowledgeable military intelligence technician. From my perspective, the military is getting little qualitative return for their investment by assigning military intel technicians to national agencies, but overall the country benefits by this use cheaper enlisted manpower which usually leads to another career in these government civilian organizations.
 
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raymond    RE:SIGINT vs HUMINT   3/2/2004 7:52:40 PM
MCM That's the best answer I've ever heard. I don't think it's a good trade, but it makes sense.
 
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jastayme3    RE:SIGINT vs HUMINT   5/15/2004 12:21:38 PM
lying and deceit are tools of the HUMINT trade Actually I think there is a difference between "lying" and "deceit". Lying is abuseing trust. Deceit includes any attempt to deceive which would include deception done in a context where the target is supposed to know he might be a target. Someone who bluffs is a poker game is not "lying" as everyone around has been warned that this is part of the game. Someone who cheats in a business deal is "lying". A little slightly tangential divergence into philosophy.
 
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jastayme3    RE:SIGINT vs HUMINT   5/15/2004 12:36:37 PM
Here's a very important question about "humint" how far does bribrery really go? When does pride usually kick in, in a given culture? The reason I ask is because it does seem that are intell(from an outsiders view I reallize) has an "if in doubt bribe" attitude Obviously this is of some value; after all the people we deal with in this sort of thing would often sell there grandmother for a nickel.But some find this offensive and many are just cons. Has a study been done(that's another motto; if in doubt, do a study)?
 
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