Could Germany and the Axis powers have Won the Second World War?

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ace RE:Could Germany and the Axis powers have Won the Second World War? 1/31/2004 3:12:02 AM

"What is Israel today? A dying third-world-desert-country, where people live in fear!" ????? what are you on? palistine is a third world or state, isriel is a first world country with all the luxturies, a mighty powerfull millitary that could enielate Germany in five seconds, and a blooming tourist industry. germany tells isriel to release terrorist prisinors, but as if isrile would listen to them. germany was crushed in ww2, and although it has recovered, it isbn't as powerful as it once was. the jews, the russians. the french, the polls, and the british were the victims, but germany paid with 35 years of russian occupation of the east, and pretty much a slauter of a large amount of it's millitary in the last years of the war.

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ace RE:Could Germany and the Axis powers have Won the Second World War? 1/31/2004 3:14:12 AM

oh yeh, and hitler shot him self on the head as well.

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smudge RE:Could Germany and the Axis powers have Won the Second World War? 2/16/2004 11:32:07 AM

ofcourse Germany would have won the 2nd world war only if they concentraited on britain first than in turn dealt with the east(russia). hitler made the same mistake as napoleon

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clarkey188 RE:Could Germany and the Axis powers have Won the Second World War? 2/24/2004 7:48:53 AM

The whole outcome could have been different if Britain had intervened against the USSR as it nearly did in support of the Finns

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Desert Rat RE:Could Germany and the Axis powers have Won the Second World War? 3/19/2004 8:03:50 AM

Yes, and it all really hinged on on battle: stalingrad. If this city had fallen then the Germans would get their hands on the Soviet oil supply, and then the Russkies would have been really screwed. So with Russia out of the war a good 1-2 million troops can come home to Germany and completely overrun any allied invasion attempts. Plus, the Germans and Japs would have linked up and man would that have caused hell in Normandy ( think about it, Japanese and SS versus the Green US and UK troops). Also, with a safe base for supply in the east, the Germans may have been able to develop the A bomb at the same time as or slightly after the US. I admit this last part about the A bomb is unlikely, but it makes you think, the world would have been a much worse place with the Nazis in charge anywhere. If you want a good story about this kind of thing, read the book 'Fatherland'. its really wierd

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swami RE:Could Germany and the Axis powers have Won the Second World War? 3/22/2004 12:23:40 AM

I guess it comes down to your definition of "win." I think Germany could have conquered the Middle East and most of the USSR by the end of 1941 (i.e. before the USA entered the war) if it did not attack the UK. Occupying this vast territory would have required a huge number of divisions, but the Germans could have made France almost impossible to invade by doubling/tripling the number of troops there. I think a successful invasion of UK is a long shot. But if Germany guaranteed the integrity of the British empire, would the UK have agreed to peace if it stood alone against Germany and Italy? If yes, then you could call that an Axis victory. If they kept fighting, it would have been a very difficult battle for the UK/US to re-eenter the European continent. It would have been a much longer war.

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Heorot RE:Swami 3/22/2004 6:05:39 AM

I don?t understand the point that you are making here. I assume that when you say, ?not attack the UK? you are referring to the island of Great Britain. You are overlooking the fact that the much of the Middle East was seen as British. Attacking the British protectorates in the ME was effectively attacking Britain. Britain would not make peace if its possessions in the ME were attacked. That was why 8th Army existed and why it was seen as a priority to keep it supplied. Lose Egypt and you lose the short route to India and it gives the German army access to the ME oil fields. Lose them and India is indefensible. There is no way Britain would have sued for peace in the ME was attacked.

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Ad RE:Swami 3/22/2004 11:07:14 AM

Tripling the amount of troops in Northern France? 20% of the German army was based their in June 1944, where is the extra 40% coming from? Are you seriously suggesting that Germany should of moved 40% of its armed forces away from the Eastern front and allow them to be swamped by the Russians?

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Gray RE: if Germany guaranteed the integrity of the British empire, 3/22/2004 3:47:08 PM

The mistake that most people are making here (and I'm only making this allegation because I just had to write a piece of coursework on this!) is the same mistake Britain, France and the USA made in the late 1930s. That is, using logical, military analysis to predict what could happen. Hitler did not do this, Hitler wanted a continual war because it was a part of his philosophy. Hell, if Hitler had thought like that he would never have started WW2 because it was NUTS. WW2 was always going to turn out the way it did simply because the allies could far out-produce the axis. Strategy can alter the course of total war, but not winner. The only way the Axis could have won would have been to make sure they were economically stronger, ie negotiate an opponent out of the war or capture AND BE ABLE TO UTILISE the Soviet economy before they were defeated. Not likely.

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Ashley-the-man RE:Could Germany and the Axis powers have Won the Second World War? 3/28/2004 10:24:04 PM

I'm going to cheat and go back to Hitler's decision to start hostilities on Sept 1, 1939. He had just concluded a non-agression pact with the Soviets two weeks earlier. Had he waited another month, he may have been able to negotiate the British and French out of pledging support of Poland - as he had done with Czechoslovakia the year before. An attack begun on October 1st would have succeeded the same. In the spring of 1940 he would have then launched his invasion of the Soviet Union and not had Britain and France with which to contend.

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