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Heorot RE:Greatest Military Leader Of All Time - GOP 9/10/2004 6:14:03 PM

To suggest Patton over the likes of Alexander, Napoleon or Subotai (had you heard of him before this thread?) indicates either profound ignorance or profound stupidity.

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Ad RE:Greatest Military Leader Of All Time - GOP 9/10/2004 8:20:40 PM

The point is Ander, that all military leaders have their weaknesses; Wellingtons happened to be impatience during sieges. To count Toulouse as a defeat, by the numbers alone, but be to count Badajoz or Ciudad De Rodriguez defeats. The British suffered the heavier casualties in the opening assaults (the garrisons were generally hunted down and butchered, which considering the hell of the enfilade at mount of the breach at Badajoz is understandable) Wellingtons career remained unblemished by a major defeat; the only question you could raise is over the siege of Seringaptam in 1799, where he led an ill fated night attack on the aqueduct. However, come morning, the Mahratta forces had withdrawn into the city itself, so in a sense it achieved its objective. This isn?t bias, this is merely fact.

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Ad RE:Greatest Military Leader Of All Time - GOP 9/10/2004 8:21:51 PM

?but be to count Badajoz or Ciudad De Rodriguez defeats? But/Would*

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jastayme3 RE:Greatest Military Leader Of All Time - GOP 9/10/2004 11:00:09 PM

To suggest Patton over the likes of Alexander, Napoleon or Subotai (had you heard of him before this thread?) indicates either profound ignorance or profound stupidity ...................................... Patton was essentially a "hussar"-a repeat of the Jeb Stuart type. He was specialized in a particular part of warfare and he was very good at it. He made the raids pursuits and stabs, like cavalry commanders through the ages-he simply used tanks instead of horses. But he wasn't like Wellington who was a commander of whole theaters.

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Ander320 RE:Greatest Military Leader Of All Time - GOP 9/11/2004 10:15:29 AM

I gave you my point to compare Toulouse (wich was an openfield battle with some redoute à la Borodino) with Quatre bras. Now, i agrea Wellington didn't suffer any major defeat (Wterloo/Austerlitz style). But as you said any military leader as his weakness (no on perfect) and my point was aimed to some people who made Welligton a "uber" "invincible" tactician or operationnal commander and put everythingh as "victory" when the word draw at best is required. This type of comment on Wellington is way to important as are the (even more numerous) comment on Napoleon capacity.

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Ander320 RE:Greatest Military Leader Of All Time - GOP 9/11/2004 10:18:25 AM

"However, come morning, the Mahratta forces had withdrawn into the city itself, so in a sense it achieved its objective. This isn?t bias, this is merely fact. " Achieved his objective within sustainable loss (and possibly more a bite on your opponent) is indeed what i consider a victory.

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Smurf RE:Greatest Military Leader Of All Time - GOP 9/11/2004 1:37:40 PM

I think the whole 'Never lost a battle' is getting far too much attention, you learn from your mistakes and you get better, not in over all skill or leadership quality.

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Ad RE:Greatest Military Leader Of All Time - GOP 9/11/2004 1:42:16 PM

?Achieved his objective within sustainable loss (and possibly more a bite on your opponent) is indeed what i consider a victory.? However, in this case the 33rd of Foot suffered minor casualties, only just into double figures. The problem was with the coordination during a night attack.

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Seth RE:Greatest Military Leader Of All Time 9/12/2004 3:37:54 AM

I saw a list someone made once of the top ten military leaders, I cant remember the exact order but at number one was Alexander the great - known world by the age of 32. At 2 I think was Wellington, and others were Gen William Slim, Subotai and Napoleon rated quite poorly after all he had the resources of an empire and still lost.

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densoflex The Other British Greatest Military Leader Of All Time: Ad 9/13/2004 5:50:52 AM

Ad, you often speak of Wellington and far less of Britain's other greatest general, John Churchill. Any reason for that? May I humbly suggest that for years Marlborough had confronted the French on the main war theatre and repeatedly won (while whether Malplaquet was a victory is debatable)?

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