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Subject: My idealism shattered
AchtungLagg    5/19/2004 10:20:49 PM
Ive grown up with a great sense of awe and respect for the american soldier, seeing him as the protector and standard bearer of all i hold dear. however some stuff just doesnt fit into my ideal, i dont really know how to handle some facts. For example i know of two totally unrelated incidents where a sailor and an army nco both are "dating" (i.e., screwing) 16 year old girls in high school. I dont know if the military does this to people or if these people are drawn to the military or whatever, but, in general, has the "ideal" of the US military changed somewhat since say the 40s or 50s? I mean, yeah im sure lots of patriots join the military, but i know of an older friend who admitedly joined up so his college would get paid, thankfully hes not in a combat zone(yet) but id hate to think what would happen if he did.
 
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OplotMira    RE:My idealism shattered   5/22/2004 2:52:01 PM
Hey, what is wrong with screwing 16 year-old high-school girls? If that is considered "unpatriotic", then I am glad I am not an American. ;) Jokes aside, there has to be benefits to joining an army if the risk is to have your balls blown off in some far-away country. As for convenience soldiers not not being suitable for combat use, well, when the hits the fan anyone without serious problems would sure pick up a gun and fight. Sincerely OplotMira
 
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rikopotomous    RE:My idealism shattered   12/22/2004 11:03:33 PM
you dont think the soldiers in post war Europe and Japan were humping 16 yr old girls? In response to Oplot, if someone attacks us theyll fight real good. Give em half assed conveluded reasons at first to fight, then they turn out to be bold faced lies and ppl wonder why the boys in Iraq are sluffing it like SLAVES.
 
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jastayme3    RE:My idealism shattered   12/31/2004 1:35:04 AM
No naiveity was shattered. Idealism can still remain. You can still admire US soldiers while admitting their flaws.
 
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GOP    RE:My idealism shattered   5/25/2005 7:41:20 PM
We definitely have some bozos in our armed forces, but please don't judge the whole military on those two things. That is illegal, as you know, and should not be tolerated. For the most part, our troops are professional. I know of two guys in my church who joined the USMC because they have (like me) always wanted to be a Marine. They are professionals. There is also a big difference between national guard soldiers and professional soldiers. You have to keep in mind that this is the 21st century (I know how cheezy that sounds), and that alot of these soldiers are just normal guys, who are trained to kill. In combat, they would do their job, but are regular guys who cuss, 'read' playboy, and listen to hip-hop.
 
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Sam    RE:My idealism shattered   5/25/2005 8:17:32 PM
What young Marines that Cuss and "read" Playboy! I'm Shocked. Next you will be telling me that they partake of intoxicating beverages. say it ain't so :')
 
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Sam    RE:My idealism shattered/more serious note   5/25/2005 8:21:46 PM
Those recruiters need to be turned in to their district HQ. Dipping in the DEP is one thing, but 16 can get you 20 to life. Maybe their Command SgtMaj and Command Master Chief can beat, I mean talk,some sense into their brains. Better that than having parents calling the cops.
 
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shek    RE:My idealism shattered/more serious note   5/25/2005 9:42:07 PM
American soldiers are a reflection of American society, and just as you get guys in American society robbing the cradle, you'll get soldiers, sailors, Marines, etc. that will do the same in their off duty. It definitely is not encouraged nor condoned, but minus restricting soldiers, you cannot control their actions when they are off duty, and as men, if they screw up, then they will be held responsible for their actions.
 
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Yimmy    RE:My idealism shattered/more serious note   5/25/2005 9:42:29 PM
"There is also a big difference between national guard soldiers and professional soldiers" And what exactly is this difference, as you see it?
 
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GOP    RE:My idealism shattered/more serious note - Yimmy/Sam   5/26/2005 8:08:37 PM
Yimmy,there is a difference in professionalism (ie: training) and morale, from what I have heard about them in Iraq. I am certainly not going to knock them, I have no right to, and shouldn't have said what I did. Alot of National Guard soldiers only join for extra money (not all, or even most, but alot). They also cost alot more to train when it comes to deploying them in Iraq, because they have lost some of their training from no practice. I, of course, have no first hand experience on this subject, so I could absolutely be wrong (I should not make so generalized statements). Sam, I am not saying that what they do is wrong. I was just making a point that they are no 'super' professionals or anything. They are typical guys that do typical thing, who are called in war time to do extraordinary things, and the do
 
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Sam    RE:My idealism shattered/more serious note - Yimmy/Sam   5/26/2005 8:24:49 PM
GOP I'm making the point that what they are doing is wrong. Bumping nasties with a 16 yr old is illegal and brings discredit to the services that they serve.
 
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