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Subject: Are you brainwashed during USMC training?
The Warrior    8/27/2005 4:04:11 PM
That's what I have heard.
 
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Carl S    RE:Are you brainwashed during USMC training?   10/26/2005 7:16:31 AM
"You're constantly browbeaten and called pondsucking scum...at best. " Even the recruit training of 1974 ceased this technique by phase III.
 
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ZackG    Break you down, build you up.   10/31/2005 10:02:17 PM
If that's what you'd like to call it. The whole idea of basic training is to break you down from the person you were before and build you up as a diciplined, motovated, confident person. Weather or not it is "brainwashing" is a personal point of view.
 
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ZackG    Sleep deprivation -    10/31/2005 10:05:42 PM
As for this talk of sleep deprivation, a friend of mine, who is a year ahead of me, is currently in boot camp at Paris Island. He is recieving roughly 8 hours of sleep per night, usualy in bed by 2000 or 2100 hrs, and waking up at 0400. This is also required by law. The only time you will experience sleep deprivation in basic is during the crucible, where you will recieve roughly 4 hrs of sleep over a 72 hour time period.
 
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Weasel    brain washing   11/4/2005 7:54:58 PM
I have a couple of friends who are ex-marine. I wouldn't regard them as crazier or more "brain washed" then any other Americans. In fact, they are depressingly as normal as me. My friends and I share a like for beer and telling lies to each other, are extremely loyal, are religiously devoted to some form of sport (hockey, football, etc). No, I don't think they're brain washed... American, yes, Brain washed, no.
 
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Thomas    RE:brain washing   11/10/2005 10:18:54 AM
Well a few things: 1. Brain washing requires something to clean up, some of my co-draftee's were lacking serious laundry. 2. During training you apply pressure in a controlled fashion. If you break people down before building them up you: a. Double your workload. b. A reconstructed brain is always of an inferior quality.
 
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Weasel    RE:brain washing   11/25/2005 10:10:40 PM
no.1 was humor, right thomas?
 
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mustavaris    RE:Are you brainwashed during USMC training?   12/15/2005 4:20:22 PM
As a conscript [non-volunteer in essence] I have been put thru 96 hours of action with 2 hours of sleep at once and half an hour at once while playing with really big guns [or in fact, taking care of artillery calculations and communications].. As GOP said one can NEVER expect to do it in real wartime if one hasnīt gone thru it while practising.. Finnish arty regimental HQ/communication unit as a serving branch was/is really like kids playing when comparing to Marine recon, but still I am pretty sure that many human rights people would say its torture if such treatment were given to criminals:P
 
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perfectgeneral    RE:Are you brainwashed during USMC training?   1/4/2006 4:12:50 PM
Y..y..y... Sir! No, Sir!
 
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colts    Its not brainwashing   1/7/2007 4:38:05 PM
When one thinks of the word, brainwahing, its implications, at least to me are negative.  It is operant conditioning.  They are conditioning one for the most devestaing circumstances, for in war there is no time to think, one must react, muscle memory.  Individuals are conditioned in basic to do just that, for when the bullets and bombs come a flyin, when hell breaks loose, there is no time to think, they just want you to do the right thing, that; a) will save your life b) complete the task at hand.  But brainwashing?  No, never.  Operant conditioning is based on free will, one chooses to make the correct choice, an example; hit the bulls eye, get rewarded, misbehave, or fuck around and get repremanded, these are choices that one makes consciously, knowing the reward/consequence of his actions.  He does what he his told because he wants to be a marine, he chooses that path, that life.  Brainwashing is more classical conditioning which is involuntary, one has no choice in this matter, for instance, when feeding your dog you whistle for him to come, then you give him food, eventually upon hearing the whistle he will begin to salivate, for he knows food is coming, this is classical conditioning/brainwashing.  Now when the dog hears the whistle he will salivate, regardless of if food follows.  He has been conditioned/brainwashed to do so.  
Of coarse that is an extremely over simplified example, but none the less thats what it is.

HOORAH
 
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GOP       1/7/2007 10:10:25 PM

When one thinks of the word, brainwahing, its implications, at least to me are negative.  It is operant conditioning.  They are conditioning one for the most devestaing circumstances, for in war there is no time to think, one must react, muscle memory.  Individuals are conditioned in basic to do just that, for when the bullets and bombs come a flyin, when hell breaks loose, there is no time to think, they just want you to do the right thing, that; a) will save your life b) complete the task at hand.  But brainwashing?  No, never.  Operant conditioning is based on free will, one chooses to make the correct choice, an example; hit the bulls eye, get rewarded, misbehave, or fuck around and get repremanded, these are choices that one makes consciously, knowing the reward/consequence of his actions.  He does what he his told because he wants to be a marine, he chooses that path, that life.  Brainwashing is more classical conditioning which is involuntary, one has no choice in this matter, for instance, when feeding your dog you whistle for him to come, then you give him food, eventually upon hearing the whistle he will begin to salivate, for he knows food is coming, this is classical conditioning/brainwashing.  Now when the dog hears the whistle he will salivate, regardless of if food follows.  He has been conditioned/brainwashed to do so.  

Of coarse that is an extremely over simplified example, but none the less thats what it is.

HOORAH

Actually Colt, it's "OORAH", not "HOORAH". I am sure you will be spouting the typical USMC lines of "Devildog", "Oorah", "Kill Kill Kill", and all the other ridiculously loyal bs.
 
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