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Subject: USN Forced To Consider The Best Choice
SYSOP    7/21/2014 5:35:50 AM
 
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HR    Navy is right...   7/21/2014 10:33:51 AM
These old things should not be replaced with similar. They are slow and vulnerable. We have seen the large catamarans with their ramps provide mobility at much higher speed and other countries like the French are doing things better than we are so shame on us.
 
This article here says it all...
 
 
This is a key technology that the Navy and the Marines need to really focus on. Not necessarily the French way of solving the problem but any method that accomplishes a faster movement from ship to shore... we just can't afford 20 km per hour any longer.
 
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JFKY    HR Navy is Broke   7/21/2014 11:18:55 AM
We can't afford the hi speed/lo drag alternatives, especially given how the Navy handles procurement.
 
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keffler25       7/21/2014 11:55:48 AM
Catamarans are two axis unstable in heavy surf. OVER THE BEACH. Sheesh, some people don't see the obvious.
 
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WarNerd       7/21/2014 1:32:15 PM
These old things should not be replaced with similar. They are slow and vulnerable. We have seen the large catamarans with their ramps provide mobility at much higher speed and other countries like the French are doing things better than we are so shame on us.
 
This article here says it all...
 
 
This is a key technology that the Navy and the Marines need to really focus on. Not necessarily the French way of solving the problem but any method that accomplishes a faster movement from ship to shore... we just can't afford 20 km per hour any longer.
I think you need to look more carefully at the mission and requirements.
 
The US LCUs in question are not the small (100 ton) short ranged (<1 day) LCMs carried on amphibious vessels, but large (375 tons for LCU 1600, 1100 tons for LCU 2000) long range (10 to 30 days) independent sea going vessels.  These are small freighters for delivery to locations without harbor facilities of any kind, not assault landing vessels.
 
As for the French LCAT, the vessel to compare it is the even faster LCAC not the LCU, in terms of mission and capabilities. Which is what they do in your article.
 
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HR    War Nerd   7/21/2014 6:23:47 PM
"These are small freighters for delivery to locations without harbor facilities of any kind, not assault landing vessels."
 
They are different as you said. I mistook them with the others.
 
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keffler25       7/21/2014 6:36:29 PM
QED.Own words used against you again.
 
Ignore you now.
 
 

"These are small freighters for delivery to locations without harbor facilities of any kind, not assault landing vessels."

 

They are different as you said. I mistook them with the others.

 
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HR    Keffler   7/21/2014 6:42:16 PM
"Catamarans are two axis unstable in heavy surf."  - old thinking. If you say something else that deserves a comment I will but otherwise I will let you simmer in your current condition.
 
For others, excellent link with pictures of some options out there starting on slide 6 and on including the British and French.
 
 
 
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HR    Keffler   7/21/2014 6:42:55 PM
Here is the link...
 
 
 
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keffler25       7/21/2014 7:07:20 PM
Irrelevant and not on point.
 
Ignore you now.
 
 
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Sty0pa       7/24/2014 2:07:14 PM
The "we have to have our own, we don't want to use (x) from another service" bullshit really has to stop. It's symptomatic of the worst sort of internecine political crap that flourishes in peacetime armies And yes, even though engaged in 2 wars for the last 10 years, it's still a 'peacetime' military - both wars combined were a) voluntary (neither was existential for the US, we could leave either whenever we wanted) and b) still consumed only a trivial % of our GDP, it wasn't even a "war effort"-level conflict. Heck, if the news wasn't talking about it every day, 90% of Americans wouldn't even notice it was happening.
 
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