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Subject: Was the USMC the appropriate force to send to Baghdad?
towgunner1960    10/3/2003 10:46:39 PM
I submit that it might have been more efficient to send British troops north to Baghdad instead of the Marine Corps, for the following reasons;
U.S. Army and U.K. troops have trained together to fight the type of war that was fought for the last 50 odd years. (Mechanized warfare).
The Marine Corps armor, excepting the M1 are totally unsuited for RAPID desert armored fighting, i.e. aav, lav and M198.
U.K. and U.S. Army are equipped exactly the way you need to be to fight this type of war,(M1, M2-3, M109), (Challenger, Warrier, AS90).
This gives them the ability to shoot and scoot, and to slug it out if needed.
The Marine Corps has never trained with the Army to fight massive Soviet style forces the way U.K. and U.S. Army have. It might have been better for USMC to have taken over the British role, attacking southern Iraq, where they could have worked as a combined arms team with naval support, the way they have for over 200+ years.
Long range desert armored warfare is not a Marine mission with the equipment and the training they have. If they want to equip themselves the way the Army does to fight this type of war, then they risk losing capability to fight the littorial type of war that they are so magnificant at.
This is no way a slight against the Marines, who I have trained with and admire. But what nation can afford to have two armies? If they insist on trying to compete against the Army for that mission, (mech warfare), then what need is there for a Marine Corps? You might as well combine them with the Army.
 
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bunkerdestroyer    RE:Once again Let's get it straight - BD   10/27/2005 12:05:11 AM
easy AR, I already had s-2 lobbin' 155s at me earlier.... I do understand the history(esp ww2)-but one deal you left out(and I am sure you did not over look as if you had mentioned it, it would have clearly shown the mc being superior :)-why was the army the first in? there was no rush and that is the way rummy and the JCOS wanted it. simple..and prior, there was not prepositioned items for the army-DG was for the mc and after the 1st GW the army brass finally realized it and then in the late 90s if I am not mistaken, started to do the same..... To concede a point-the army did drop a birgade(517th???) in norther Iraq. The mc could not have done that. It had the helos, but not the ability to deliever the heavy..... I could aggitate you more, but that is enough for now, and I am sure the opp. will arise on another topic ps...I am not old....35yrs..just feel old(esp with current job of sheriff's deputy/jailer...{we had the BTK..whooweee, what a feather in our cap}-with mc life), about 60 some days
 
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S-2    RE:Once again Let's get it straight - BD/S-2 Warning Order   10/27/2005 12:11:36 AM
"I do understand the history(esp ww2)" No you don't. Otherwise you wouldn't have slammed the 28th I.D. at the Bulge. 65% strength, only after two months of fighting at Aachen and the Hurtgen Forest-heard of those places? Nor would you be yappin' about Okinawa without such a half-witted remark about the U.S. Army helping the U.S.M.C. there if you knew your stuff. Fact is, you don't. Garbage. You just can't help stepping all over your crank.
 
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bunkerdestroyer    RE:Once again Let's get it straight - BD/S-2 Warning Order   10/27/2005 12:49:28 AM
s-2, well, I guess your gonna let loose again, so I guess I'll have some fun now... I think your just sore from all the mass-surrenders the army practiced in the war. The marines has wake-a gallant fight and some small units were in the phillipeans...I think a marine reg got it hard and the colors fell in vietnam, but thousands did not surrender like the phillipeans...thousands did not surrender like at the bulge.....If a mar div was worn down in numbers, it was due to fighting, not surrendering..... I guess that is why you had 100+ div in ww2-to cover the mass-surrendering. I guess I am gonna have to brush up on my Okinawa history as that keeps comming up.... Semper Fi
 
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S-2    RE:Once again Let's get it straight - BD/S-2 Warning Order   10/27/2005 1:06:47 AM
"s-2, well, I guess your gonna let loose again, so I guess I'll have some fun now..." Hey bunker baby, your latest nonsensical drool isn't worth the ammo. There isn't any point. You're not real smart, and this has ceased to be fun. Fu@k you. Out. GarryOwen.
 
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S-2    RE:Once again Let's get it straight - BD/S-2 Warning Order   10/27/2005 1:11:03 AM
"thousands did not surrender like the phillipeans" Like I said, stupid. 4th Marine Regt. captured at corregidor. Guess they were part of those "thousands". Idiot.
 
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bunkerdestroyer    RE:Once again Let's get it straight - BD/S-2 Warning Order   10/27/2005 11:20:22 AM
nasty temper s-2 since you mentioned corregidor....and 4th marine regiment.... the 4th mar. had 1500 men at the most-after reinforcments plus attached army.(about the number I alluded to earlier) the army had 31032 in the phillipeans. The marines surrendered when given the order by Gen Wainwright..(army) However, If I want to spare with you(and your temper making it so easy) I wont use corregidor.....A army friend of mine(phillipean in the usarmy) was there and survived the Bat. death march(he is retired and became a successful doctor)-he has some amazing and sad stories...I wont dishonor his memories and his fallen friends/comrads. AND Gen W. was a good man who did a good job with the little resources he had so far from home(plus he was left out to dry). He went through a hell you and I cant fathom(physical and mental, esp. burden of command). note: If not for the army, I think we would probably still have a king and queen...ala rev. war.... so while I may toot the marine horn, the army was getting it done before the marines were even around......:) SEMPER FI ps-watch the curses please.....
 
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AlbanyRifles    RE:Once again Let's get it straight - BD/   10/27/2005 12:26:10 PM
I missed the comments on the Bulge......careful there...28th ID did not surrender, it stood and held for 72 hours against 2 panzer korps which bought the time for other forces to get to Bastogne. The 106 ID, a brand new division which was understrength, had 2 regiments cut off on the Schnee Eifel by the 6th SS Panzer Army. Did not surrender en masse....broke up and tried to infiltrate out. Most got captured that way (see Slaughterhouse 5 on that one!) or read A Time For Trumpets. FYI, there were 59 infantry and 12 Armor Divisions in the US Army in WW II, not the 100 plus you mention. And while the Marines fought across the Central Pacific in one or two division battles (often supported by Army campaigns) the Army had army groups fighting in Europe and in the Southwest pacific. While the Marines were on Tarawa the Army was going onto Makin, same at Kwajalein and Eniwetok Saipan, Guam and Tinian and on across. The Central Pacific. As for Okinawa, the reason why an Army general commanded was because it was a multicorps attack, i.e., a field army, which is an Army not Marine Corps formation.
 
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S-2    RE:Once again Let's get it straight - BD/S-2 Warning Order   10/27/2005 1:21:49 PM
Bunkerdestroyer, I'll watch the swearing just as soon as you watch the casual dismissal of those fine men, to include the 4th Marines, at the Philippines and elsewhere. Albany Rifles is exactly correct about both the 28th and 106th I.D.s. Neither lost their colors, and both stayed very much in the fight. For further fine reading pleasure, I'd suggest Trevor Depuy's excellent HITLER'S LAST GAMBLE-THE BATTLE OF THE BULGE. Your flippant remarks about great men in tough days renders as great a disservice to you as swearing does to me. Given that in 1941 the marines only had six regiments, as I recall, plus some defense battalions, the surrender of marine forces at Wake and Corregidor constituted a far greater pct. of your total force. Moreover, a great percentage of those who surrendered were magnificantly brave filipino brothers who stood with us right to the end, when they easily could have melted away, and the Japanese would have been none the wiser. Really, while your knowledge of this history would appear limited, you've shown no hesitation in disparaging fine Americans and allies at tough times in spite of the truth. All to make some point that can't stand in the face of the facts. Good men, many long since dead, can no longer defend their honor. You can make certain that I will, now, and in the future. And the U.S.M.C., for what it's worth, today stands less tall in my eyes for your slander. While all of us speculate at times, be prepared to admit when you're wrong-quickly and graciously, if possible. Or it becomes real personal, real fast. That's not good for anybody.
 
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Heorot    RE:S-2   10/27/2005 3:26:18 PM
"It might be worth your time to look at the China/Burma theatre. Lots of G.Is there. Jungles to rival any in this world, and very, very hard and largely unrecognized combat. Clearly, we shared the AO with the Brits and the Kuomintang Army. Still, we had a lot of troops." I can't let you get away with that remark. As far as I know the only US formation was Detachment 101, later Merrills Marauders. As Detachment 101 theere was a core of US advisers but most were locally recruited Anglo-Burmese. When it was reformed as Merrills Marauders, there were 2,900 US troops involved, and they never operated as normal frontline infantry; they were more akin to the Chindits but supporting the Chinese army rather than the Anglo-Indian army. I hardly think that 2,900 (including 400 that were based back in India) counts as "lots" when compared to the Anglo-Indian army that did all the real fighting in the Burma theatre. Tell me, who were the rest of the "lots"?
 
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S-2    RE:S-2/Heorot Reply   10/27/2005 4:44:14 PM
Not sure that I concede. Why do you count Indian forces under British command without allowing for Chinese/Burmese forces commanded by Americans? Commonwealth affiliation? Perhaps. Still, I would expect that G. Britain had large numbers deployed there. Meanwhile, from my "discussions" with bunkerdestroyer, there were no marine forces that I'm aware of in that theatre. Moreover, those were Army Airforce crews supporting and flying both transport (the Hump) and combat missions in southern China and Burma, and U.S. Army combat engineers that built the Ledo Road, or do those matter? British Commonwealth forces were certainly the larger, by far. Should they not have been? Good question about total Americans in zone, because I don't know. The command structure was so convoluted and fluid, that I've had a hard time pinning numbers down. But they were neither negligible nor unimportant to the final victory. One hell of a lot more than U.S. Marines, though. Of that I'm certain.
 
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S-2    RE:S-2/Heorot Reply Addendum   10/27/2005 5:07:27 PM
In addition to the 10th and 14th USAAF, whom provided log supt. to the 20th USAAF (three U.S. Army Air Force Commands), and numerous Air Transport Commands, the U.S. Army provided the following- 612 Field Artillery Bn., 613 Field Artillery Bn. 5307th Composite Unit (Merrill's Marauders), 5332 Brigade (Provisional), 475th Inf. Regt. (Provisional), and 124th Cav. Regt. (Provisional). Extensive service/support elements as well. Extensive command elements commanding Chinese forces in theatre. Haven't got to the engineers yet. Do I need to for your further satisfaction?
 
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S-2    RE:S-2/Heorot Reply Addendum II   10/27/2005 5:17:35 PM
For your further satisfaction- UNITES STATES FORCES U.S. AIR CORPS CHINA-BURMA-INDIA COMBAT UNITS IN WWII. AIR FORCES 10th AIR FORCE 3rd Combat Cargo Group 7th Bombardment Group 33rd Fighter Group 80th Fighter Group 311th Fighter Group 341st Bombardment Group 443rd Troop Carrier Group 14th AIR FORCE 68th Composite Wing 69th Composite Wing 312th Fighter Wing COMMANDS XX Bomber Command 58th Bombardment Wing WINGS 58th Bombardment Wing 40th Bombardment Group 444th Bombardment Group 462nd Bombardment Group 468th Bombardment Group 472nd Bombardment Group 68th Composite Wing 23rd Fighter Group 69th Composite Wing 51st Fighter Group 341st Bombardment Group 312TH FIGHTER WING 33rd FighterGroup 81st Fighter Group 311th Fighter Group GROUPS 1st Air Commando Group 5th Fighter Squadron 6th Fighter Squadron 166th Liaison Squadron 319th Troop Carrier Squadron 1st Combat Cargo Group 1st Combat Cargo Squadron 2nd Combat Cargo Squadron 3rd Combat Cargo Squadron 2nd Air Commando Group 1st Fighter Squadron 2nd Fighter Squadron 127th Liaison Squadron 155th Liaison Squadron 156th Liaison Squadron 317th Troop Carrier Squadron 3rd Combat Cargo Group 9th Combat Cargo Squadron 10th Combat Cargo Squadron 11th Combat Cargo Squadron 12th Combat Cargo Squadron 4th Combat Cargo Group 13th Combat Cargo Squadron 14th Combat Cargo Squadron 15th Combat Cargo Squadron 16th Combat Cargo Squadron 7th Bombardment Group 9th Bombardment Squadron 11th Bombardment Squadron 22nd Bombardment Squadron 30th Bombardment Squadron 436th Bombardment Squadron 492nd Bombardment Squadron 493rd Bombardment Squadron 8th Reconnaissance Group 9th Reconnaissance Squadron 20th ReconnaissanceSquadron 24th Reconnaissance Squadron 40th Reconnaissance Squadron 12th Bombardment Group 81st Bombardment Squadron 82nd Bombardment Squadron 83rd Bombardment Squadron 434th Bombardment Squadron 23rd Fighter Group 16th Fighter Squadron 74th Fighter Squadron 75th Fighter Squadron 76th Fighter Squadron 33rd Fighter Group 58th Fighter Squadron 59th Fighter Squadron 60th Fighter Squadron 51st Fighter Group 16th Fighter Squadron 25th Fighter Squadron 26th Fighter Squadron 449th Fighter Squadron 80th Fighter Group 88th Fighter Squadron 89th Fighter Squadron 90th Fighter Squadron 459th Fighter Squadron 308th Bombardment Group 373rd Bombardment Squadron 374th Bombardment Squadron 375th Bombardment Squadron 425th Bombardment Squadron 311th Fighter Group 385th Fighter Squadron 528th Fighter Squadron 529th Fighter Squadron 530th Fighter Squadron 341st Bombardment Group 11th Bombardment Squadron 22nd Bombardment Squadron 490th Bombardment Squadron 491st Bombardment Squadron 402nd Fighter Group 320th Fighter Squadron 442nd Fighter Squadron 539th Fighter Squadron 540th Fighter Squadron 443rd Troop Carrier Group 1st Troop Carrier Squadron 2nd Troop Carrier Squadron 309th Troop Carrier Squadron 310th Troop Carrier Squadron 315th Troop Carrier Squadron 444th Bombardment Group 1st Bombardment Squadron 2nd Bombardment Squadron 309th Bombardment Squadron 310th Bombardment Squadron 462nd Bombardment Group 345th Bombardment Squadron 768th Bombardment Squadron 769th Bombardment Squadron 770th Bombardment Squadron 771st Bombardment Squadron 468th Bombardment Group 512th Bombardment Squadron 792nd Bombardment Squadron 793rd Bombardment Squadron 794th Bombardment Squadron 795th Bombardment Squadron 476th Fighter Group 453rd Fighter Squadron 541st Fighter Squadron 542nd Fighter Squadron 543rd Fighter Squadron Air Corps Base Units 1304th 1328TH 1332ND 1334TH 1337TH 1338TH 1343RD 1345TH 1350TH Air Depot Units 3rd 22nd 26th 47th 48th Depot Repair Sqd. Air Mapping 24th Sqd 82nd Repair Sqdn. Air Service Group 4th Wing 52nd 62nd 124th 125th 126th 129th 301st 338th Air Supply Service 44th Group 305th Group Air Transport Command American Combat Engineers American Field Services Ambulances American Long-Range Penetration Regiment Anti-Aircraft Units 843 AAA Bn. 464th Hq. Btry. Army Engineers 504th 352nd 700th Petroleum Dist. Co. Army Nurse Corps AVIATION ENGINEERING BN BASE SECTIONS, SOS No. 1 (Karachi) SOS No. 2 (Calcutta) SOS Military Police Co. Ordnance Heavy Automotive Maintenance 857th Quartermaster Department 21st Group 41st Quartermaster Truck Co. 472nd 1980th 3721st 3732nd. 3841st 3843rd BRIGADES 5307th 5332nd BURMA ROAD ENGINEERS FIELD ARTILLARY BATTALIONS 612th 613th CAVALRY 124th MFT HOSPITALS Evacuation Hospitals 73rd 21st Field 19th General 20th General 145th GENERAL HOSPITAL 19th 142nd 20th 145th Portable Surgical 32nd 34th 35th 42nd 44th 49th 58th Station Hospital 112th 131st 198th 372nd Veterinary Evacuation 18th KACHIN RANGERS MARS TASK FORCE 124th Cavalry MERRILL?S MARAUDERS MILITARY POLICE 752nd M.P. Co. 1115 M.P. Co. 118th MP Co. OFFICE OF STRATEGIC SERVICES 101 Det Ordnance Units 888th 1835th PACK TROOPS 31st 33rd 35th PHOTOGRAPHIC RECONNAISSANCE FORCE PORT BATTALIONS 497th 501st 508th 286th Co. PORT COMPANIES 286th 540th 735th 758 Railroad Shop Bn. SERVICE OF SUPPLY (SOS) SIGNAL SERVICES 679th A.W. Bn. 894th Signal Co. 931st 993rd Bn. 1712th Bn. 3101st Bn. 3102nd Bn. 3115th Co. 3150th Bn. 3198th 3340th Bn.
 
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S-2    RE:S-2/Heorot Reply Addendum II   10/27/2005 5:17:38 PM
For your further satisfaction- UNITES STATES FORCES U.S. AIR CORPS CHINA-BURMA-INDIA COMBAT UNITS IN WWII. AIR FORCES 10th AIR FORCE 3rd Combat Cargo Group 7th Bombardment Group 33rd Fighter Group 80th Fighter Group 311th Fighter Group 341st Bombardment Group 443rd Troop Carrier Group 14th AIR FORCE 68th Composite Wing 69th Composite Wing 312th Fighter Wing COMMANDS XX Bomber Command 58th Bombardment Wing WINGS 58th Bombardment Wing 40th Bombardment Group 444th Bombardment Group 462nd Bombardment Group 468th Bombardment Group 472nd Bombardment Group 68th Composite Wing 23rd Fighter Group 69th Composite Wing 51st Fighter Group 341st Bombardment Group 312TH FIGHTER WING 33rd FighterGroup 81st Fighter Group 311th Fighter Group GROUPS 1st Air Commando Group 5th Fighter Squadron 6th Fighter Squadron 166th Liaison Squadron 319th Troop Carrier Squadron 1st Combat Cargo Group 1st Combat Cargo Squadron 2nd Combat Cargo Squadron 3rd Combat Cargo Squadron 2nd Air Commando Group 1st Fighter Squadron 2nd Fighter Squadron 127th Liaison Squadron 155th Liaison Squadron 156th Liaison Squadron 317th Troop Carrier Squadron 3rd Combat Cargo Group 9th Combat Cargo Squadron 10th Combat Cargo Squadron 11th Combat Cargo Squadron 12th Combat Cargo Squadron 4th Combat Cargo Group 13th Combat Cargo Squadron 14th Combat Cargo Squadron 15th Combat Cargo Squadron 16th Combat Cargo Squadron 7th Bombardment Group 9th Bombardment Squadron 11th Bombardment Squadron 22nd Bombardment Squadron 30th Bombardment Squadron 436th Bombardment Squadron 492nd Bombardment Squadron 493rd Bombardment Squadron 8th Reconnaissance Group 9th Reconnaissance Squadron 20th ReconnaissanceSquadron 24th Reconnaissance Squadron 40th Reconnaissance Squadron 12th Bombardment Group 81st Bombardment Squadron 82nd Bombardment Squadron 83rd Bombardment Squadron 434th Bombardment Squadron 23rd Fighter Group 16th Fighter Squadron 74th Fighter Squadron 75th Fighter Squadron 76th Fighter Squadron 33rd Fighter Group 58th Fighter Squadron 59th Fighter Squadron 60th Fighter Squadron 51st Fighter Group 16th Fighter Squadron 25th Fighter Squadron 26th Fighter Squadron 449th Fighter Squadron 80th Fighter Group 88th Fighter Squadron 89th Fighter Squadron 90th Fighter Squadron 459th Fighter Squadron 308th Bombardment Group 373rd Bombardment Squadron 374th Bombardment Squadron 375th Bombardment Squadron 425th Bombardment Squadron 311th Fighter Group 385th Fighter Squadron 528th Fighter Squadron 529th Fighter Squadron 530th Fighter Squadron 341st Bombardment Group 11th Bombardment Squadron 22nd Bombardment Squadron 490th Bombardment Squadron 491st Bombardment Squadron 402nd Fighter Group 320th Fighter Squadron 442nd Fighter Squadron 539th Fighter Squadron 540th Fighter Squadron 443rd Troop Carrier Group 1st Troop Carrier Squadron 2nd Troop Carrier Squadron 309th Troop Carrier Squadron 310th Troop Carrier Squadron 315th Troop Carrier Squadron 444th Bombardment Group 1st Bombardment Squadron 2nd Bombardment Squadron 309th Bombardment Squadron 310th Bombardment Squadron 462nd Bombardment Group 345th Bombardment Squadron 768th Bombardment Squadron 769th Bombardment Squadron 770th Bombardment Squadron 771st Bombardment Squadron 468th Bombardment Group 512th Bombardment Squadron 792nd Bombardment Squadron 793rd Bombardment Squadron 794th Bombardment Squadron 795th Bombardment Squadron 476th Fighter Group 453rd Fighter Squadron 541st Fighter Squadron 542nd Fighter Squadron 543rd Fighter Squadron Air Corps Base Units 1304th 1328TH 1332ND 1334TH 1337TH 1338TH 1343RD 1345TH 1350TH Air Depot Units 3rd 22nd 26th 47th 48th Depot Repair Sqd. Air Mapping 24th Sqd 82nd Repair Sqdn. Air Service Group 4th Wing 52nd 62nd 124th 125th 126th 129th 301st 338th Air Supply Service 44th Group 305th Group Air Transport Command American Combat Engineers American Field Services Ambulances American Long-Range Penetration Regiment Anti-Aircraft Units 843 AAA Bn. 464th Hq. Btry. Army Engineers 504th 352nd 700th Petroleum Dist. Co. Army Nurse Corps AVIATION ENGINEERING BN BASE SECTIONS, SOS No. 1 (Karachi) SOS No. 2 (Calcutta) SOS Military Police Co. Ordnance Heavy Automotive Maintenance 857th Quartermaster Department 21st Group 41st Quartermaster Truck Co. 472nd 1980th 3721st 3732nd. 3841st 3843rd BRIGADES 5307th 5332nd BURMA ROAD ENGINEERS FIELD ARTILLARY BATTALIONS 612th 613th CAVALRY 124th MFT HOSPITALS Evacuation Hospitals 73rd 21st Field 19th General 20th General 145th GENERAL HOSPITAL 19th 142nd 20th 145th Portable Surgical 32nd 34th 35th 42nd 44th 49th 58th Station Hospital 112th 131st 198th 372nd Veterinary Evacuation 18th KACHIN RANGERS MARS TASK FORCE 124th Cavalry MERRILL?S MARAUDERS MILITARY POLICE 752nd M.P. Co. 1115 M.P. Co. 118th MP Co. OFFICE OF STRATEGIC SERVICES 101 Det Ordnance Units 888th 1835th PACK TROOPS 31st 33rd 35th PHOTOGRAPHIC RECONNAISSANCE FORCE PORT BATTALIONS 497th 501st 508th 286th Co. PORT COMPANIES 286th 540th 735th 758 Railroad Shop Bn. SERVICE OF SUPPLY (SOS) SIGNAL SERVICES 679th A.W. Bn. 894th Signal Co. 931st 993rd Bn. 1712th Bn. 3101st Bn. 3102nd Bn. 3115th Co. 3150th Bn. 3198th 3340th Bn.
 
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bunkerdestroyer    RE:Once again Let's get it straight - BD/   10/27/2005 5:27:21 PM
AR-I know that-I read my 4 books on the Battle of the Bulge...Though 2 reg of 106th surrendered, they held up the german advance long enough so that elements of 7ad and 1 cc of 9th ad could reposition around st vith, again delaying the germans-and then resulting in the 82nd and 3rd ad moving into position.......ending the realistice chances of success after the first 96 hrs The 28th Id resting after the terrible fighting a month or so earlier had numerous raw troops. They held how long enough to delay the germans capture of Bastogne and thusly giving time for the 101st go reach Bas. in strength Its just s-2 gets so aggitated and pottied mouth....cant resist...... (though I was alluding to something else with the 100/6 div statements-and on a side note, thats also why I alluded that the army was more numerous and necessary in the PTO as it was to large for just 6 div-even 10 or 20 div... SEMPER FI
 
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S-2    RE:Once again Let's get it straight - BD/S-2 Reply   10/27/2005 5:37:40 PM
"Its just s-2 gets so aggitated and pottied mouth....cant resist...... (though I was alluding to something else with the 100/6 div statements-and on a side note, thats also why I alluded that the army was more numerous and necessary in the PTO as it was to large for just 6 div-even 10 or 20 div..." Funny enough, but my "potty mouth often comes after the lack/fact" on so terribly many of your posts. To use good men, disparaged so easily by you UNTRUTHFULLY, to strike back at me, displays the fundamental frivolity of your positions. Truth is, I'm ashamed of my "potty mouth". It seems you may bear the greater shame, though. If you KNEW so much about the Bulge, you wouldn't have said anything in good conscience. If you KNEW so much about the Philippines, you wouldn't have disparaged good men, to include the 4th Marines. Finally, if you KNEW so much about Okinawa, you wouldn't have yapped about it as though it was a Marine mission, with us poor doggies tagging along so we could learn how it's done. As for your allusions, do a better job. None of your still-not clear allusions carried any clarity. Nor do they still.
 
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