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Subject: 1987 Marines in Chad
Matt    11/9/2002 9:59:52 AM
Not long ago a "former Marine" posted a message on a local Forum claiming to have been wounded during "covert" Marine vs Libyian troops fighting in Chad (Africa) in 1987. I've tried every conceivable source, and cannot find any validation for this claim. Anyone know anything about the Marines fighting the Libyian army in Chad?
 
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blackdogbone    RE:1987 Marines in Chad   11/18/2002 10:12:18 PM
during the the mid 1980s, Libya covertly supported rebel forces against then the present Chad government. In response to such efforts, the United States and United Kingdom sent elite military units to Chad to conduct guerilla warfare operations against Libyan forces, and assess the situation. The operations proved successful.
 
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newjarheaddean    Tell it to these guys...   1/24/2011 5:04:46 PM
AHOY,
 
check your sources about the second (as in deployed) ACB June of 1983. Charlie Co. 1/5 under Captain Ricter.
 
Then confirm or deny that the U.S. Air Force out of CHAD was providing various support for our operations on Diego Garcia.
 
Were any of those marines fighting in Chad KIA?
 
"I well bet my lucky star"

G-day!
 
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ambush       4/17/2011 5:06:18 PM
IIRC Additinal Marines were also sent to Chad to beef up embassy security at the time , at least that was the reason giving.
 
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newjarheaddean    TELL IT TO THESE GUYS LOL   4/17/2011 5:44:07 PM
AHOY,
 

I SAY AGAIN!
 
check your sources about the second (as in deployed) ACB June of 1983. Charlie Co. 1/5 under Captain Ricter.
 
Then confirm or deny that the U.S. Air Force out of CHAD was providing various support for our operations on Diego Garcia.
 
Were any of those marines fighting in Chad KIA? 


AMBUSH, IMO YOU DON'T HAVE ANY "ACTUAL KINGS TRUTH" EVEN IF YOU DID WHY SO LONG TO TELL ABOUT IT. LOL.

TELL ME ABOUT ACB 1/5 IN JUNE OF 1983.

DON'T TRY TO ACT LIKE IT WOULD BE ANY MORE SECRET THAN THE B.S. YOUR POSTING ABOVE.

I am going to post it, do to the fact that me and the old man are not being left alone here, so I've decided to let it rip. STAND BY!  
 
"I well bet my lucky star"

G-day!
 
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ambush       4/18/2011 9:41:29 AM


AHOY,

 




I SAY AGAIN!

 

check your sources about the second (as in deployed) ACB June of 1983. Charlie Co. 1/5 under Captain Ricter.

 

Then confirm or deny that the U.S. Air Force out of CHAD was providing various support for our operations on Diego Garcia.


 

Were any of those marines fighting in Chad KIA? 








AMBUSH, IMO YOU DON'T HAVE ANY "ACTUAL KINGS TRUTH" EVEN IF YOU DID WHY SO LONG TO TELL ABOUT IT. LOL.




TELL ME ABOUT ACB 1/5 IN JUNE OF 1983.




DON'T TRY TO ACT LIKE IT WOULD BE ANY MORE SECRET THAN THE B.S. YOUR POSTING ABOVE.




I am going to post it, do to the fact that me and the old man are not being left alone here, so I've decided to let it rip. STAND BY!  

 

"I well bet my lucky star"




G-day!

I am not sure what exactly got your panties in a wad as  I never claimed to have been in Chad but do seem to recall Marines being sent to beef up Embassy Security during that time.  It is not an unusual thing to do in light of the circumstances and it would not seem unreasonable to use that as a cover to send in special ops forces.
 
Given congressional opposition to most US military intervention/assistance anywhere at that time (look to the restrictions put on the number of military adviosrs in El Salvador for an example) it does seem like they would use a low key approach such as this as a cover.
 
Hard to tell from your post but what exactly are you so upset about except being off your meds perhaps?

 
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newjarheaddean    need I say more...   4/18/2011 12:19:04 PM
AHOY,

If I was wearing panties I'd rather be someone who wore panties and fought like a true old fashion street fighter than someone wearing  "blast boxer" going out on parades and being used in a manor that is very similar to Star Wars Storm troopers. 

The few the proud IMO have become "Buck Rogers Rangers" i.e. a little army that can't.  

"I well bet my lucky star" IKYG

G-day!  
 
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phrogdriver       4/18/2011 10:17:25 PM
What's this "lucky star" crap, anyways?

Embassies are routinely beefed up, usually by Marines.

I'm not buying covert military action in Chad at the time, especially not by Marines, who had little involvement in SpecOps at the time, and definitely not as tier one assets.  Now, could there have been some potshots taken at the embassy and some "combat" there?  Sure.  Most anything else doesn't pass the smell test, and if there was anyone with knowledge of secret ops, they damn well should know not to post it on the Internet! 

By the way, what's with all the Marine hate popping up on the Internet lately? 
 
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ambush       4/19/2011 12:05:46 AM

What's this "lucky star" crap, anyways?




Embassies are routinely beefed up, usually by Marines.




I'm not buying covert military action in Chad at the time, especially not by Marines, who had little involvement in SpecOps at the time, and definitely not as tier one assets.  Now, could there have been some potshots taken at the embassy and some "combat" there?  Sure.  Most anything else doesn't pass the smell test, and if there was anyone with knowledge of secret ops, they damn well should know not to post it on the Internet! 




By the way, what's with all the Marine hate popping up on the Internet lately? 

I think some Marine Recon assets found themselves playing in the Cental American Arena during the 80s but that was about it as they were is short supply back then.  Special Ops command was still a young outfit and still had trouble getting everybody to play nice together.   Assets were scarce as Army Special forces was going through an expansion and some growing pains.
 As far as Chad  the only thign I remember was embassy security being beefed up maybe to prep for a possible NEO if things went south.  But as I said it is not unreasonalbe to assume that  it couldl have provided cover  for other things not necessarily Marine outfits.
 
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SCCOMarine    To Phrogdriver   4/28/2011 7:47:53 PM
I'm not buying covert military action in Chad at the time, especially not by Marines, who had little involvement in SpecOps at the time, and definitely not as tier one assets.  Now, could there have been some potshots taken at the embassy and some "combat" there?  Sure.
 
By the way, what's with all the Marine hate popping up on the Internet lately? 


Even though the USMC was not apart of SOCom don't make the mistake of thinking that it had little invovlement in Spec Ops. It has taken part in & led many Spec Ops & Clandestine Missions that are known & some that may never be known. There's a reason for that. Unlike the other services the USMC doesn't need a special command structure to move its forces. By the NatSec Act it can send Marines anywhere, indefinitely, simply on orders of the President w/out even informing Congress.
 
Little Known Special Missions:
-2003 OIF SEAL raid on Al Faw: What was little known was that a Plt. fr/USMC FAST Co. helped the SEALs take it down. I was in Bahrain at the time & knew the FAST Marines that helped take it down. There's only 1 written record of it, by the Captain of the HSV Swift who mentioned delivering the SEALs & FAST Marines for the mission in an interview later.
 
-1989 Iranian GOPlats: Everybody knows about the SEAL mission, little is known that in fact it was a Force Recon led mission. The Force Recon DAP led MSPF took down 3 of the Plats the SEALs only took down 1 & the SEALs botched it & set it on fire.
 
-2003 Haiti FAST Co: Feb or March '03 Pres. Bush sent two 50 Marine Plts fr/FAST Co. remove Haiti Pres. Aristide fr/ power. Both Plts landed in Port au Prince Airport in C5's drove straight off the planes in Humvee's. 1 Plt secured the airport the other sped to the Pres. Palace & took it down w/out a shot fired put Aristide on a plane & gave him a Sat Phone w/Colin Powell on the other end & told the the plane will fly him anywhere but he had to go.
 
-2001 Afghanistan 15th MEU(SOC) TRAP: Opening days of A'stan in Oct '01, before the US even admitted having boots on the ground. The 15th MEU(SOC)'s TRAP team rescued a Delta Tm shot down and in a heavy firefight 800miles fr/the sea.
 
-2003 OIF Crown Jewel Raid 15th MEU(SOC) MSPF: A Clandestine raid that was supposed to precede Al Faw & be the initial raid of the war led by the MSPF but faulty intel on Sadam being at a Farm led to a precipitous Air Strike prior to the MEU(SOC) being in place. It ended up being a daytime Conventional raid the next day.
 
-Gulf War: FR was Clandestinely imbedded in Baghdad & N. Iraq calling in airstrikes, when the SEALs never went any deeper than the beach they prep'd for the fake Amph. Assault.
 
-1961 Bay of Pigs: Force Recon was to be the lead element, backed by the newly formed SEALs, conducting Specialized Raids & Recon for the CIA before the mission was canceled.
 
-Colombia 1980's & '90s: FR conducted many Advisory & Strategic Reconnaissance missions in Colombia.
 
Those are the 1s I can think of, I've known of more but they've slipped my mind. Just think of the 1s we don't know.
 
You can go to throughout Africa and Cent & So. Am and mention various SOF unit names & some ppl will know them some might not despite all the recent work SOCom has done. However you can go anywhere in those places & mention US Marines or Force Recon & recieve instant recognition & respect.
 
Just something to think about before saying things like the USMC had little Spec Ops involvement prior to MARSOC.
 
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