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Subject: Re-organizing light infantry?
longrifle    7/26/2006 1:12:18 AM
An interesting article that suggests breaking the infantry platoon down into big fire teams and eliminating the squad echelon. I've thought this sounded interesting for quite a while, especially since that often becomes the de-facto organization anyway after extended combat. Since platoon numbers would be way smaller, the author advocated a fourth platoon to make up the end numbers somewhat. Comments? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Organising Infantry William F Owen ?Organisation should be an expression of doctrine and doctrine should be an expression of experience.? Lt Col Robert Leonhard ?20031 A small amount of study will reveal that the vast majority of the world?s infantry units are organised along roughly the same lines. This is often interpreted as being indicative of certain well-founded principles. Close examination shows this to be less than certain. Modern infantry organisations are essentially arbitrary, and underpinned with a rationale that supports the status quo. The size and shape of squads, platoons and companies, as we see them today, were and are far more shaped by cost, career, and manpower issues than they are by doctrine or tactics. For example, the operationally proven four-section platoon of 1918 had sunk to three sections by 1938, purely to satisfy economic constraints and the need to procure less automatic section weapons2. This leads to a debate between soldier and accountant, where the soldier states that a section must be eight men, and the accountant then asks ?can 6 men with the right equipment, do the same job as 8?? Few have yet asked, ?how do I best organise infantry to perform operations?? In fact the British Army did ask this question, but only in relation to operating in Northern Ireland, where they re-organised the platoon into the multiple, which was based on ?bricks? of 4 men. This was only ever done in Northern Ireland and the question has to be asked, that if the platoon cannot operate in that environment, then how valid an operational grouping is it? Do you need to re-organise for urban operations? Current operational analysis strongly suggest that you might be forced go from rural to urban as part of the same action. The first question that has to be asked is how many men can leaders control effectively? ?Regardless of the technical ability to communicate with every formation or unit within the span of command, studies have shown that a ratio of more than four or five subordinates of command to one headquarters is the maximum that a commander can effectively manage.? ? Army Doctrine Publication 2 ? Command, paragraph 0411. The above is telling, in two ways. Firstly it was the product of some detailed research by the British Army in the early 1980s and secondly because it reached exactly the same conclusions as the General Ivor Maxse, who was responsible for the British Armies pre-WW1 reorganisation. So the first principle we have is that there should be a maximum of 5 sub units under each HQ. The second key question to be asked is what is it I want my various units to be able to do? This is near impossible to answer, unless you have a method of operation already defined. But resources also limit what you can do, so this quickly becomes a circular argument. The answer would seem to lie in looking at existing practices and drawing conclusions from them, but beware. How operationally valid is it to have platoon advancing across country, bunker busting as it goes? This might be good training, but is it a good model for your organisation? The third question is how will we know if we are achieving our aim - that is to seek effective principles on which to organise infantry? The answer would appear to be that you do not need to re-organise for different operations or conditions, and that operations have become quicker and simpler. If not, then perhaps the principles are not coherent. It really isn?t important how many men are in a platoon or if you call X number of men a platoon. Making statements that ?you cannot have 16 men in a platoon, because a platoon is 32,? gets the process nowhere. Therefore we aim for broad principles, not absolute numbers. Every infantry training pamphlet since 1917 states that platoons and sections will have to be able to operate with less than the optimum number of men, so we should be able to organise any number of men into viable groupings. The Fire-Team The smallest viable grouping of men is 3. You would not give a task or mission to a smaller group. Take any number between 3 and 15 and see how you can organise that many into viable fire-teams of 3-5 men. Examples: 6 men ? worst case, and can either remain as one team or split to 2 x 3 teams. 11 men ? 2 x 4 man teams with 1 x 3 man team. There is good evidence this works. Special forces operate for extended periods of time in 4 or 5 man teams. The British Army recommended 3-5 men as the basis
 
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Roman    RE:Re-organizing light infantry?   7/26/2006 1:49:32 PM
Great article longrifle - thanks for posting it. I love the kinds of articles and discussions that analyze how to build and organize a force from 'first principles' up. I have no real experience with the military (actually, I have been drafted into the Slovak Army and was due to serve in the last batch of conscripts before the draft was due to be abolished, but literally just as I was about to begin, the government decided to move up the date of professionalization of the army by 6 months - hence no service for me), so my comments are not worth much. I do, however, find the topic of optimal military organization interesting at a theoretical level, so I will watch any comments from those more knowledgable in the field. Just to play the devil's advocate against the article... even though I yet again stress my lack of military experience... perhaps having an administrative structure different from the actual organization in combat is a good thing. It essentially forces flexibility on the force - they cannot fight in the administrative structure efficiently so they organize for battle according to circumstances at hand. Maybe if the administrative organization was closer to the battle organization, the platoon may be less willing to reorganize for a task better suited to a different organization.
 
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Sabre    RE:Re-organizing light infantry?   7/28/2006 12:50:52 AM
I'm sorry, but organizing administratively, and not for combat, "on purpose" to somehow foster "flexibility" is an rather horrible idea that has to be crushed decisively. Studies (SLA Marshall's is but one example) and perhaps every combat veteran that has an spoken on the subject, say that in combat you want to be with people you know and have worked with closely, and the closer the better. Units are chaotic places that experience a fair amount of turnover, almost all of the time - it's hard enough to get everyone adequate training and build relationships as it is. It's bad enough that so many armies continue to organize administratively along branch lines (i.e., infantry, armor, etc) even when all the leaders agree that it would be better to have combined arms units. Units that were allowed to be permanently cross-attached (i.e., mixed mech infantry and tank platoons) just slaughter units that were thrown together at the last minute, quite consistently in force-on-force exercises (with MILES gear).
 
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Roman    RE:Re-organizing light infantry?   7/28/2006 2:32:05 AM
Well, there you go - my lack of military experience shines through like a lighthouse on a dark night at sea. My idea of having what is a most administratively efficient organization with the understanding that you reorganize according to circumstances for the actual fight (since you KNOW the administrative arrangement is no good for fighting, the reorganization would be automatic and a must and could therefore always reflect the circumstances at hand - at least that was the theory) has been pretty much shot down on the basis of experience. It does make sense that soldiers would fight better with people they know and can thus form a more cohesive unit with... I guess I did not realize just how much of a difference it made, as I thought units are usually recombined anyway for combined arms operations, so I thought it would not be very problematic to do so within the arms themselves. Prime example how lack of military experience can lead to devising something that sounds nice in theory but would not work in practice.
 
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Carl S    RE:Re-organizing light infantry?   7/29/2006 7:18:15 PM
Few have yet asked, ?how do I best organise infantry to perform operations?? Eh...I dont follow that. The USMC has been examining its infantry organization almost continually since the 1920s. Experimental oranizations exited in every regiment and company on a ad hoc basis, as commanders sought to deal with the circumstances o the moment. I expect the US Army has not been idle in this respect either.
 
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Heorot    RE:Re-organizing light infantry?   7/30/2006 5:59:21 PM
Roman, I have worked for 3 companies in the last 6 years that have used this double form of organisation and I can tell you that, however good it looks on paper, in practice it sucks. I imagine that it would be infinitely worse in a military situation.
 
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Sabre    RE:Re-organizing light infantry?   8/1/2006 1:22:16 AM
While USMC Gen Krulak (I think that it was Krulak - I could be wrong) is oft quoted, along the lines of "I never saw a TOE platoon take a hill", at some level, there does have to be an organization, and depending on where you are and what kind of combat you face, you may actually be at TOE strength, and not cut down to 50%, so as an academic exercise, why not ask "what is the best way to organize for combat?" I have heard that Hollywood keeps team in movies down to 6 or fewer members, since that is the most that the audience can reliably keep track of, and I wonder if that has anything to do with the amount of short term memory that humans have, generally thought to be about 7 items, plus or minus two. This could be why the Army recognizes the "span of control" as being 3 to 6. I'm not advocating a 6 person squad, by the way, if I had to give a number, I'd answer 8 in two teams of 4 (I personnally never had much use for a "Bravo Team Leader", I just needed someone to lead the other team and watch things while I was gone - thus the "Alpha Team Leader" could do that.) I once read a book written by a British officer, which stated that 100 was about the right size for a company, and that significantly more, say, closer to 180 or 200, was too many people for one person to "know", since a company commander should know everyone that he is responsible for leading. I'm not sure if that was backed up by any evidence. As a theoretical question, I believe that it has merit
 
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longrifle    RE:Re-organizing light infantry?   8/1/2006 2:07:43 PM
"I never saw a TOE platoon take a hill" And that's really where I'm trying to go with this debate. You can make a great argument that tht U.S. Army TOE light infantry squad and platoon is the way to go when it's at full strength. It's a well thought out organization but it's also someone's "ideal" organization. Now, start removing pieces out of it and what do you have? You have so-called "squads" that can conduct fire and movement but can't really fire and manuever. Once you go below about seven men the fire team concept within the squad goes out the window. Instead the "squad" itself operates like the fire team. Everyone gets online then IMT's forward or back. There is no base of fire and flank attack combat drill at squad level anymore. That concept moves up to platoon level, with the platoon leader fighting what amounts to three or four large fire teams, often with the platoon's machine guns attached to the "squads," not in a seperate weapons squad. It's just food for thought. We keep coming up with FM 7-whatevers, that show an organizational template of 3 plus one that doesn't seem hold up in long term combat below the platoon level.
 
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Sabre    RE:Re-organizing light infantry?   8/2/2006 12:04:56 AM
Longrifle makes a good point, about how a reasonably understrength platoon fights... So what would counteract the effect? Huge Marine Corps squads of 13? Dumb question, but do we necessarily need to counteract the effect (of squads no longer manuevering as two fire teams)? The only other issue that I can see there, is perhaps the Marine Corps model is somewhat mindful of the casualties taken while island-hopping across the Pacific, when entire companies were reduced to less than a platoon in strength - not real sure we need to plan for casualty rates that severe, since you really can't plan for that...) I have heard that an 8-man squad (section) of British infantry is the smallest unit that manuevers (this is coming from a couple of Brits that I spoke with, but that was a decade ago - the reasoning that they gave was that contact "tends to be bloody quick, and there's not much time to get fancy") >>...often with the platoon's machine guns attached to the "squads," not in a seperate weapons squad. >> Aha! Now there's a good point. I've heard that some armies (the Aussies come to mind, I could be wrong) have a GPMG in each squad. Which of course would harken back to WWII and the 11 man squad which had a "gun group" / BAR, and a manuever group. Instead of 3+1 (rifle squads and a weapons/MG squad) you could have 4 squads, each with a GPMG (and an LMG for back up, I'd say). Just more food for thought - I could be really wrong.
 
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Sabre    RE:Re-organizing light infantry?   8/2/2006 12:15:01 AM
What if a platoon were organized into 4-5 man teams? When a 8 or 9 man squad takes a few losses, it becomes a team of 4-6. But it is still a team, used to operating together. What happens when it 4-5 man team in a team-based platoon takes losses? Then the survivors must combine, on the fly, with another, perhaps understrength, team. Granted, these people will still know each other, but in a team-based platoon, the teams are used to operating independently, in a squad-based platoon, the two (or three) teams in a squad are used to operating together, so I would think that the forced amalgamation due to casualties would be easier under the system of squads. I re-read the initial post, I noticed that the "proven operational effectiveness of the 4 section platoon" was dropped, to 3 sections/squad, so that fewer squad automatic weapons had to be procured. I am curious how much more effective a 4-squad platoon is, over a 3-squad, or even at 3+1 weapons squad, platoon is.
 
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Yimmy    RE:Re-organizing light infantry?   8/2/2006 6:46:28 AM
I think Sabre makes good points here. I only skim read the first post, however the only real point which stands out to me is the authors desire to remove the section concept (ie the 8 man formation). I would say, that the section is the most important formation in existance, it is the very heart and soul of the British army. When it comes to orders, it is a Hell of a lot easier to understand; "One Delta Rapid Fire... One Charlie Prepare to Move... Two Delta Flank Right" etc, Than it would be having more numerous individual elements. Without the section and the training of the combination of two fire teams, individuals in fire teams will be at a loss of who is moving when, and who is covering when, in my opinion. I would like to see a fourth section added however, I thin that could possibly add for some real improvements.
 
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