What Army has the best camouflage pattern for their uniforms?

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S-2 RE:What Army has the best camouflage pattern for their uniforms? 2/1/2006 12:09:53 PM

Tigerstripes were outlandishly, outrageously cool. Coupled with a new pair of jungleboots and you had it goin' on! For effect, you gotta hand it to the gille suit. Not very practical around garrison, but really serves it's intended purpose. Anything else is only a marginal improvement over a nicely faded pair of O.D. jungles.

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longrifle RE:What Army has the best camouflage pattern for their uniforms? 2/1/2006 8:38:58 PM

>>Anything else is only a marginal improvement over a nicely faded pair of O.D. jungles.<< Something different but related. I read an article that stated solid gray blends well with a wide variety of backgrounds, urban and rural. It's more of a neutral than a color. Some WWII vets have said that the Germans were sometimes suprisingly hard to spot in their field grey. Something else that sounds interesting, although I confess I've never tried it, is wearing a solid colored top and solid colored pants of a lighter color than the top. O.D. top and gray pants or gray top and khaki pants etc. The idea being that if everything is the same color all the way down, then the bottom will often appear darker at a distance because it's in the shadow of the top. Wearing a lighter pants can negate some of that. Crazy theory? Maybe. But for what it's worth lots of animals have an underside lighter than the main part of their body.

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Horsesoldier RE:What Army has the best camouflage pattern for their uniforms? 2/1/2006 9:52:39 PM

>>Something different but related. I read an article that stated solid gray blends well with a wide variety of backgrounds, urban and rural. It's more of a neutral than a color. Some WWII vets have said that the Germans were sometimes suprisingly hard to spot in their field grey.<< Grey is supposed to be the hardest color in the visible spectrum for the human eye to pick out. One hopes someone had that in mind when they designed the ACU, otherwise the pattern is even harder to fathom . . .

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S-2 RE:What Army has the best camouflage pattern for their uniforms? 2/1/2006 11:04:41 PM

Gray seems to work well in the muted light of forests and fall, winter, and spring. I guess that I'd say the same for O.D. and even khaki (I've seen pictures of Soviet troops at Kursk in faded khaki, dusty as hell to boot, who blended beautifully at a distance-under optimal conditions for Khaki, I admit). No solid, even neutral gray, work particularly well when new, IMO.

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Heorot RE:What Army has the best camouflage pattern for their uniforms? 2/2/2006 7:39:33 AM

Slightly related. During the ACW ships runing the naval blockade into Confederate ports painted their upper works in a light grey, some almost white. Black was tried initially (they were runing at night) but the palest grey worked best.

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Davidj1 RE:What Army has the best camouflage pattern for their uniforms? 2/9/2006 9:08:59 PM

I depends if you are looking at mainline troops or spec-ops. we now have acu and marpat to the north they have cadpat all are improvements. Jordan just got new duds with help from western technology and of course Israel as always sports the finest everything and camo is no Exception. I understand RangerMade has done some work with them and they probably lead in this field. there is an interesting write-up at link for the camo enthusiasts.

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Yimmy RE:What Army has the best camouflage pattern for their uniforms? 2/9/2006 9:33:40 PM

I rather like this Russian uniform: link

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Wolfhound RE:What Army has the best camouflage pattern for their uniforms? 2/10/2006 10:23:42 PM

problem here is any camo is ultimately suited to a particular area/environment...i hunt, and have half a dozen old camo suits in various patterns...one of the best i can recall was a jacket pants set my WWII 2nd marine division Dad gave me, reversible: quadcolor green/dark era camo to brown/sand quadcolor; wore it for years til i left the jacket on a Wyoming sagebrush foothill one day and couldn't find it....worked real well....i wonder why the services just don't buy whatever is suitable for wherever from the hundreds of available high quality commercial hunter's options....probably would save a lot of money in the long run....heck, Cabela's has ghillie suits (east agreement they win hands down) up the proverbial wazoo....

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SteelGear RE:What Army has the best camouflage pattern for their uniforms? 2/12/2006 7:43:55 PM

*Looks at Yimmy's Pic* Yes I like those uniforms too :P

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Horsesoldier RE:What Army has the best camouflage pattern for their uniforms? 2/13/2006 7:50:08 PM

>>*Looks at Yimmy's Pic* Yes I like those uniforms too :P << Kind of a dazzle pattern . . .

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Horsesoldier RE:What Army has the best camouflage pattern for their uniforms? 2/13/2006 7:57:30 PM

>>of course Israel as always sports the finest everything and camo is no Exception.<< ??? I always seem them sporting their solid color OD/sage colored combat fatigues. I know they are big into the camo-mesh oversuit concept, but they've never tried patrolling in forest or scrub, apparently, if they think that's a winner . . . As for the best of everything angle . . . the Israelis are extremely frugal -- second hand American CAR-15s, uparmored M113s, uparmored M60 tanks, etc., don't really call to mind "finest everything" to my mind. They have some top end kit in key systems, but I don't really see the best money can buy angle. >>I understand RangerMade has done some work with them and they probably lead in this field. there is an interesting write-up at link for the camo enthusiasts.<< I'd put Crye Precision at the top of the pack with their multi-cam pattern, personally.

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BasinBictory RE:What Army has the best camouflage pattern for their uniforms? 2/14/2006 4:00:23 AM

someone made a comment about having a lighter colored pants than the tunic which served to break up the normal pattern of shadow and light which would occur with a man wearing a uniform where pants and tunic were the same color. It was also mentioned that animals (both predators and prey) tend to have mottled, rather than solid-color coats. Curious that the military, for as much money as they spend on everything, wouldn't take cues from mother nature and adopt animal colorings for various surroundings. A light brownish-grey would seem appropriate for many forests and grassland areas.

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SteelGear RE:What Army has the best camouflage pattern for their uniforms? 2/14/2006 5:26:18 AM

<> Its not a bad idea but the camouflage of most animals is normally based on their behaviour in terms of ambushing and hiding. But one very important point is how other animals are to detect the camouflaged predator or prey. Whether the camouflage is good or not is normally determined by how it takes advantage of the sensory limitations of the animal trying to find or avoid the camouflaged creature. Such limitations might be the inablity to see a particular color or to discern a certain level of detail to distinguish the hiding animal from its surroundings. So my point is what will work for animals might not work the same way for humans. With this said the only camouflage that would work well in terms of human vs human warfare is a pattern that takes advantage of a human's sensory limitations.

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Iano_returns RE:What Army has the best camouflage pattern for their uniforms? 2/14/2006 6:57:23 AM

Before the digital camouflage came out the finest camouflage was good old British temperate DPM. At least in exercises to test this soldiers in DPM could get closer to an observer than those in other patterns without being spotted. You cant go wrong with forest green, dark brown, a kind of fawny colour and black. Desert DPM was also a success given that it went from the need being identified to being worn by frontline units in a low number of weeks during the first Gulf War! Well better than US 6-colour desert anyhow, but I like the way US tri-colour desert is pale and has larger wavy patterns, presumably the best in that environment, but have no idea why it includes a mint-green or that pinky-type colour. I always thought desert cam would be useful in snow environments, as the beige isnt too far off the white, and the brown patches would represent the splotches of earth showing through patchy snow. But we issue white for that anyhow so thats taken care of I guess. Perhaps we should consider issuing a similar grey camouflage oversuit for urban surroundings, but made from a fireproof material rather than the snowsuit material. Well OG is not used by any first world modern militaries anymore apart from things worn underneath your outer uniform that will always be covered by cam. And digital camouflage, between Canada and America, seems here to stay. I must say that the Canadian cam and USMC cam seems really effective. Theres a great shot of 2 Canadian snipers on a rocky hillside in Afghanistan and the result is most effective. I have no idea what the US Army is doing though! You must have 2 patterns, 1 for woodland and 1 for desert. 1 pattern for both is going to lose! Did they imagine that they will fight all future wars in cities and other built-up areas? Same with the USN and USAF, there are pics on Strategypage of their new digi-cam uniforms. Where do they camouflage you?! They should just stick with blues for working in and temperate/desert cam if they go in the field. Camouflage uniforms only go a certain way towards true cam & concealment though. You need to break up the outline of your body and equipment, and get it the right appearance as your surroundings, by attaching big handfulls of grass (or whatever else happens to be around you) to your helmet, uniform and PLCE. Harder to do in desert so perhaps sand-coloured scrim cut from sandbags attached to your kit would do better, as well as getting it all dusty and attaching tape so that green colour of your webbing is lost. Cam cream on the face is needed and hands too unless you have gloves on. The weapon is always going to stick out but trying to camouflage it can interfere with your weapons handling, not good! Ghillie suits are the ultimate but they are not practical for all troops (i.e. fine for snipers or a static longterm OP but not good in say a rifle company where you would need a lot more movement) and they are time-consuming to make. We had a sniper attached during an exercise who managed to hide on a barren hillside without a Ghillie suit at all so they are not vital either. The Israeli camo-mesh oversuit idea might be worth adopting to see if it works in desert environments where the ghillie suit is not used. Hiding yourself is a lot more about techniques and tactics too, things like avoid skylining yourself, using dead ground, covering optics with a light mesh to reduce glint, making sure your kit doesnt rattle like a skeleton having a wnak in a biscuit tin, light and noise discipline, use of IR sheeting/netting to hide from TI, use of IRR unifroms to hide from active IR illumination, radio procedure, deception plans etc etc etc, it could go on forever! As for purchasing whatever clothing off the shelf for a certain theatre of war that'd be expensive and risky, and wouldnt work either. Realtree may fool squirrels but human eyes (and the recognition patterns in the brain) differ from animals eyes and thought processes. As an example some deer hunters wear bright orange but it wouldnt be advisable to follow their example on the battlefield!

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Joester41 RE:What Army has the best camouflage pattern for their uniforms? 2/20/2006 6:37:14 PM

The US would if they went with Multicam...

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