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Subject: Do female snipers beat their male counterparts??
Herc the Merc    5/16/2005 7:21:45 PM
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PeregrinePike    RE:Do female snipers beat their male counterparts??   5/20/2005 11:53:46 AM
I suppose they could.... and probably do it too in certain cases. Many revolutionaries especially prefer them to men for such work, so there must be some who are actually better at it.
 
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Bluewings    RE:Do female snipers beat their male counterparts??   5/20/2005 7:22:09 PM
THAT is a VERY touchy subject ... As a ex Sniper and as a FrenchMan ~and Women lover~ , I get a wee bit nervous when someone ask a woman to kill . Women shoudn 't take lives and anyway , they don 't do it properly ~if I may say !!~ . Many Olympic Champions in shooting are females (Danemark , Finland , Sueden , France , ...) but they shoot on lifeless TARGETS . 99% of women are not capable to press the trigger when looking at a human head through the scope . It is an ... non-animal thing . Women Snipers in the Forces is a sin . And they could be unreliable ;-) Cheers .
 
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Nichevo    RE:Do female snipers beat their male counterparts??   5/20/2005 9:05:14 PM
Uh, Bond won that match, didn't he? It is said that in basic, women can be better students than men because thay have no bad habits to unlear and are more likely to listen. OTOH, women are not typically socialized for killing in cold blood. Thank Heaven. Now if there were a drug that induced combat PMS...
 
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FSV    RE:Do female snipers beat their male counterparts??   5/21/2005 6:47:14 AM
During WW II the Soviets used female snipers, with very good results!! While deployed to Oman, I was taken to task, by an Arabian Officer, about the US military allowing females in the services. I informed him that there 4 types of American females that he did not want to be on the 'wrong end' of a gun from: 1. Females from the 'South' (Confederate States) or the "poor" side of any town/city, who will shoot/knife any male just to teach him a "lesson" (for reasons not understood by any male). 2. Any female from the "Plain" or "Western" states. As they come from a female 'stock' that taught the Native American males that atacking the female's homestead was a 'losing' proposition, unless the plunder was worth a 40% casualty rate. 3. Any Woman Marine, as they would shoot any male just for "S**ts & Grins".
 
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AussieEngineer    RE:Do female snipers beat their male counterparts??   5/21/2005 7:18:37 AM
My personal view point aside, I don't see why you couldn't train a women to kill just as ruthlessly as a man. The two big issues I see with women in the infantry type roles are, first they don't have the upper body strength of men and second is men reacting in a bad way to women in combat situations.
 
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Bluewings    RE:Do female snipers beat their male counterparts??   5/21/2005 7:15:59 PM
I do not know if I could kill a woman , unless she 's the OPFOR Sniper ... I prefer not to think about it ... Cheers .
 
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Jewe377    RE:Do female snipers beat their male counterparts??   5/21/2005 8:10:39 PM
Females tend to be better shots than males so probably yes. The female meekness is a chauvinistic myth as females of all(most?) mammal species have a stronger killer instinct than males. this is due to their maternal instinct(I'm not kidding here this has been proven in scientific and antropological studies, females are also more agressiv than most males once you block the effect of testosterone for both sexes). Females do tend to vent their agressions verbally and covertly rather than overtly and directly physical(in most cases), but this has proven to be more of a cultural trait rather than a gender specific trait(females are very aware of their lesser body mass). The army just have to exploit those natural tendancies and voila, femal sniper from hell!
 
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AussieEngineer    RE:Do female snipers beat their male counterparts??   5/21/2005 8:50:47 PM
Like bluewings though, I would prefer them not to be snipers
 
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Thomas    RE:Do female snipers beat their male counterparts?? Jewe377   5/23/2005 6:07:16 AM
I'm with You all the way on this one: The best shot I've seen/known was a senior NCO when I was private: a sturdy, nice and softspoken woman/mother. At the annual marksmanship competition for the Home Guard someone once hazed her for being WAC. Something they shouldn't have said, as she was an observer in the Home Guard Air Force. She got very annoyed, thus icecold and steady: She humiliated the menfolk on range - a serious variant of: "If look could kill!" Her's could.
 
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jastayme3    RE:Do female snipers beat their male counterparts??   10/5/2005 10:16:04 PM
Actually I tend to agree with Bluewings. And yes that is old-fasioned: it doesn't mean it is wrong. Their should be some segments of society that are separated from war. And by the way the fact that Russians did it does not prove anything. They were desperate-and do we really want to look to commies as an example?
 
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theBird    RE:Do female snipers beat their male counterparts??   10/6/2005 1:29:47 AM
In the middle east female soldiers could don burkas to blend into the local populations, although then again male soldiers of short stature could probably do the same.
 
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Sentinel    Would you want to be a spotter for a female sniper? Consider this...   10/22/2005 8:55:36 AM
If you become wounded she probably would not be able to firemans carry you, even a short distance to a medivac! How many women do you know who could pick up a 170lb man off the ground get under him and heave him onto their shoulders, then pick up their own weapons, and carry him 500m to an LZ. I've been in the military for 12 years I haven't met one who can do that. Women in the army get alot of press for being,"at the fight" these days but I call it all talk. The majority of them have to call a male counterpart to carry their MK 19(that an auto grenade launcher) from the arms room to the humvee and mount it. Most of them are physically helpless!
 
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Cato    RE:Built like a man   10/22/2005 2:03:03 PM
I have been fireman carried by two women, and I weigh 205+lbs. One woman is an L.A. City firefighter who works on a truck (tough chick), and the other was a 21 year old girl in my academy class who power lifted since high school (off the chart lesb-o-meter reading). I don't know how many chicks in the Army fit this bill, but husky women in comfortable shoes can pack the gear. Cato
 
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PeregrinePike    RE:Do female snipers beat their male counterparts??   10/22/2005 5:44:39 PM
In defence of nay sayers: Well, one concrete reason that can be quantified is... ... we beat them at math (for getting real serious about scientific sniping). But thats a dangeous ground to walk on -- Chinese boys beat most of us in math on average, but 90% of Chinese are myopic according to Business Week... so go figure ;-)
 
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longrifle    RE:Do female snipers beat their male counterparts??   11/2/2005 12:25:39 AM
>>Females tend to be better shots than males so probably yes.<< Are women better drivers than men? This is a similar argument isn't it? Women have various strengths that men don't have. SOME of those strengths are undoubtedly attributes of successful to sniper, some aren't. The flip side is men have various strengths that women don't, etc. I'm aware that the Russians uses women successfully as snipers, so did the NVA/VC on a few occasions. I think that most of their employment was in static situations though. If you sift through all the historical references to "women warriors," I think most of the time they are being transported (horsewomen) or fightng static. In spite of all the supposed "evidence" of women warriors, I've not read anythng from a credible source where women have participated as Infantrywomen in an offensive campaign, packed all the gear, walked all the miles, engaged in hand to hand etc. Maybe it's happened but I'm not aware of it.
 
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