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Subject: Top 10 Special Forces
Diablo_45    1/3/2004 5:54:04 AM
any ideas ??? (1 per country please)
 
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Kozzy    RE:Top 10 Special Forces   1/3/2004 10:17:01 AM
British, USA, Israel
 
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Couac_Attack    RE:Top 10 Special Forces   1/3/2004 2:01:04 PM
What kind of Special forces ?? Counter terrorist forces ( that are estimated to be the best using sniper and other rifle ) like the GIGN, GSG-9 ... or true independant Special armies like the foreign legion, the SAS, green berets, and different SEALS sections ??? ... From a book i have read made byan old british SAS, the special are all at around the same level.
 
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Diablo_45    RE:Top 10 Special Forces   1/4/2004 5:11:15 AM
Im refering to true independent special armies
 
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Matt641    RE:Top 10 Special Forces   1/13/2004 1:24:42 PM
Don't be daft - if you're arguement is to be take seriously you could at least make your post legible... In order of the basic soldier: U.K Russia Israel USA France/Germany By the way, I don't pretend that the UK can deploy as effectively or as the US, or that Russia has the money to sustain anything lasting more than a month. Although I am not SF, I am with the regulars and I know for a fact that the British, Russian and Israli forces are held in very high regard (yes, even by the French). So lets put this arguement to rest. Who has the most special forces combat experience - Israel. Though who has the historical sucess and experience at special ops -UK. The UK beats all countries simply because of experience. This is all that counts - the number of sucessful combat operations. The US may put billions into SF troops but they are not the best. Don't get me wrong, I have a lot of respect for those I have met, SEALs and Rangers and I certainly wouldn't want to go up against them. But think twice and look objectively at the historical fact. I guess yunus is having a laugh - Turkey?! (Don't take that the wrong way if you weren't, all European SF are up at the top)
 
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Couac_Attack    RE:Top 10 Special Forces   1/13/2004 2:52:03 PM
ARRGGG .... Plz consider the question, here we talk about special forces, or special corps, not the main soldier of an army. I will clas depending the abilities the following special corps ( i dont rank them ): British SAS/French foreign-legion: they are composed of several corps that are specialized ina large variety of missions. THey have a very hight training level and they have a heavy material to help them in their missions. I think that these two special forces are the most multirole. US marine corps/Spetnaz: I dont know if i can rank them at the same level than the SAS and the foreign legion for training, but they are considered as entires elites armies because of their weapons, materials and training level. I think that they must be the biggest special corps that exist in the world. Australian SAS: The training level is comparable to the F-Legion ans british SAS but they are a little smaller, especially in see assault corps. I will pass specialized corps as the seals, Delta forces, Israeli paratroopers ... Now in counter terrorism operations, i think that we can consider as the best the GSG-9/GIGN/The Scotland Yard counter-terrorism branch ( i dont remember the name, they use to act against IRA ). These 3 corps are the ones who have the best training on snipers and small ars like the famous H&K MP5.
 
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winter soldat    RE:Top 10 Special Forces   1/14/2004 11:02:22 AM
any of u heard of viking insatsgruppe 2(norway) who collected most medals under afganistan war morre than us spesial forces and australian and enlish sas, they where unbeatable in the cold mountains in afganistan (norway are used to moutain and snow) so in that senario expesely aussie sas where usseless bue we(norwegian spc)where impressed by us delta(they followed viking 2/3 of the moutan missions) twise as many as the s.a.s so but if u are talking of good nice beach temprature so u pressius s.a.s are quite good as well and i know the gsg9 has moore sucsess antiterror missions than s.a.s but english have a big mouth(they belive they won the ww2 alone when u talk to them)
 
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gf0012-aus    RE:Top 10 Special Forces   1/14/2004 2:49:39 PM
winter soldat, well I would hope that any of the scandinavian mountain troops are better than the Aust SAS, after all, thats their playground. don't mistake people who talk about how good their special forces are for the people who are actually in those special forces. The majority (if not all) of the special forces people I have worked with do NOT ever talk about their craft. IN fact people in the SAS that I know, get absolutely crapped off about the press or people talking about things that they are supposed to have done or are doing. btw - most special forces people also don't give a raspberry's twig about medals. They seeit as unnecessary jewellry.
 
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friend2all    RE:Top 10 Special Forces   1/14/2004 3:07:28 PM
Well put. I'd throw Poland into the running on an individual/unit effectiveness basis.
 
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RDMRRW    RE:Top 10 Special Forces   1/16/2004 9:04:59 AM
No one has seemed to mention the British SBS who are compared to the SAS and also do more, it seems that a lot of people deem special by the things done, or carried by them. Call me stoopid but surely there are a great deal of ops done that we will not here about, ever. So I'd say that some research on experience is somewhat muted.
 
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WarriorBravo4    RE:Top 10 Special Forces   1/16/2004 6:11:46 PM
The SBS is awesome, I forgot all about them. Let's not forget about Delta, the D-boys are hella badass. The Australian SAS is quite competant as well.
 
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gf0012-aus    Top 10 Special Forces - RDMRRW    1/16/2004 6:29:33 PM
If you bother to trawl through the endless and apparently infinite number of 10 best "pumpkin" threads in here you will find that the SAS/SBS and its associated sister services, fellow members of the craft in other countries and the rest of the specops brotherhood are mentioned. Even the Vatican Guard get a mention. Believe me, no one gets left out. These threads turn into a glossary of special forces units.
 
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PuckaMan    Not another one........   1/16/2004 7:47:36 PM
These bloody top ten lists of SF and such are absolute e. They only serve to prove several things: People who crap on how good such and such is have very limited or no knowledge of the field, thus any such list comes down to nationalisitc chest beating. Also, as gf said, REAL SF don't give a roo's rectum about such rankings, cause they know that any such ranking is totally inaccurate. They don't care, all they want is to do thier job, and do it well. It would be safe to say that each SF is thier own worst critic..... they're always trying to better themselves. I don't care who's 'best' - so as long as they get the job done and accomplish thier missions. That is all that matters. Stop making these lists, cause they are polluting this discussion board. Puckam
 
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Axis    RE:Top 10 Special Forces   1/20/2004 10:23:43 PM
ok guys, lets be perfectly honest. special forces are only as good as their support. in the united states military, there a three basic tiers of special forces. tier3: combat controlers para-rescue etc. tier 2: Navy SEALS Marine Force Recon Army Rangers etc. Tier 1: Navy SEAL team 6 Army Special forces etc. Beyond: Delta Force basically starting at tier three, they work upwards wupporting eachother untill the ultimate goal is met. none of the forces would work as efficiently without the others in play. and its not only the other forces that come into play, its the blatant technological and intel. advantage that we have. quite frankly, some the Brits have some badass special forces, but when actually used in cooperation with its other divisions, nothing in the world compares to the special forces of the USA nuf sed
 
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Nexota    RE:Top 10 Special Forces   3/16/2004 8:54:39 PM
No offense to anyone but I wouldn't put the rangers up there with Force Recon.A couple months of their training consist of Ranger school,dive and etc.So if a marine can make it through ranger school and about 7 or 8 more schools after that...I'd give them a little more credit. The question you should have asked is which one is more versatile.Who can do the a mission in the hottest desert to the coldest climate.When it comes down to it none are better just more effective.
 
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gf0012-aust    Top 10 Special Forces - Nexota   3/16/2004 9:13:53 PM
All of this is "point in time stuff" Prior to the russian invasion of afghanistan, the UK already had an SAS presence in place. The CIA (and this is based on the memoirs of Robert Baer the ex CIA operative), the US needed hard evidence of russian military systems. So they gave the SAS a shopping list, including a request for bits and pieces of the Mil-24. The CIA requested that the SAS go shopping because they didn't have confidence in their own people being able to do the job. So relative to 1978 one could argue that the SAS were the dream team. 26 years later, what example do you want to use to support your claim? In 1991 the Brit SAS wanted to go Scud hunting, Schwarzkopf, who had minimal initial confidence in specops (due to his own personal bias re Delta and the SEALs) only acquiesed due to Brit govt conviction. As it turns out, the SAS, Seals, Delta happily beavered away and delivered results beyond what was expected. They managed to show that Schwarzkopffs misgivings were misplaced. Now, if you looked at the prism of history relative to events, you have 2 historical examples of where the US executive and/or US theatre commanders would have disagreed with you. Is that relevant or unfair in the assessment of how US Specops performed? Bottom line is that it's a nigh impossibility, all the chest beating the world doesn't alter the fact that every one of those people within their craft are exceptional at what they do. Trying to dumb it down to a "10 best pumpkin list" diminishes the seriousness and capability of all who do it for real. The tag means nothing, its the capability that counts.
 
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