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Subject: Real Camouflage Versus The Publicity Stunt
SYSOP    9/17/2014 6:14:42 AM
 
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shep854A1       9/17/2014 8:30:58 AM
Combat controllers are very high value targets, and Zoomie-flage marks them very nicely.
Pity the DoD didn't just tell the Marines to lose the EGA's in MARPAT and make it the GI standard, when it was first developed.
 
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TravisM       9/17/2014 9:55:29 AM
MARPAT looks cool, but isn't that effective.
 
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Docduracoat    ACU digital camo   9/17/2014 10:07:34 AM
I have been reading strategy page for a long time, but this is the first time I have felt a need to comment on a post. I am a long time student and collector of camouflage and have a hobby of painting firearms in camo patterns. The statement "there have been few complaints about ACU from soldiers" is completely wrong. I refer you to the website kitup.com among many others where the many complaints have been documented for years. Also the statement. That Multicam offfers " even a small advantage" is also wrong. ACU was the worst performer by any measure in all testing performed by the army Multicam and Marpat outperformed the grey digital ACU by a huge amount. The Army has now decided to change to an early version of Multicam that they own the rights to which is called Scorpion. It is not quite as effective as Multicam as it lacks the vertical elements found in Multicam, but they will not have to pay any royalty. Britain, Australia and even Denmark have all abandoned their unique national camo patterns in favor of Multicam with some slight unique national shapes added. Multicam continues on its path to total world domination of military uniforms!
 
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joe6pack       9/17/2014 11:24:59 AM
No comments on the Navy cammo?   They are on giant grey ships for crying out loud.. How sneaky do you have to be on an aircraft carrier? - talk about PR... although, I suppose it does have to help recruitment.. unless bell bottoms have come back into style.
 
 
 
 
 
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avatar3    Aquaflage   9/17/2014 1:23:24 PM
Joe. The Navy Camo Uniform, which the sailors call aquaflage is actually dangerous. In the water it is almost impossible to see unless you are right up on top of a person. Unlike coveralls, the pants cuffs blouse into the boots. If you are in the water you cannot easily take off your pants for use as a flotation device. No comment about slipping out of calf length boots instead of ankle length boondockers. Finally their is the question about flammability and skin protection in fire, steam and fuel disasters. Fortunately a lot of ships and facilities still use the coverall as the duty uniform, the NEX still sells them. Maybe Docdurcoat has more to add.
 
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vahitkanig       9/17/2014 1:27:02 PM
Best  camuflage happens  by  using  the advantage  of  climate, terrarin ,condition you are  at.
&&04;f  you  can overcame  is disadvantage of the  things  mentioned  above this  means you have extra  advantage  againts  your enemy.
So  I quess SOCOM needs teams  from National Geographic....
 
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Bill Befort       9/17/2014 2:06:52 PM
The conceit of outfitting every truck driver, wrench jockey, military cop, colonel and ribbon clerk in camouflage-pattern clothing, as if the whole Army were momentarily expecting to be ordered out on ambush patrol in the jungle, was always absurd. When the affliction spread to the Air Force and the Navy, it should have been plain to all that camo uniforms were purely a matter of fashion.  In practice, only the barest fraction of soldiers have, or are ever likely to have, a need to be clothed in anything but OG107.  As an ex-Vietnam infantryman I have a good deal of relevant experience on this, but don't take my word for it -- look at the Israelis, who have never swallowed this dress-everyone-in-camo foolishness, and seem to do all right without it.  Or the VC, the true champs at going unobserved.
 
While I'm at it, let me note that the main item of camouflage gear the Israelis have adopted for their infantry is the only one really worth bothering with -- that weird floppy headdress they wear to conceal the shape of the helmet. 
 
I believe the modern fixation on camouflage battledress originated with the French paratroops in Algeria, as romanticized in Jean Larteguy's novels.  Judging from this article, it doesn't seem likely to end till all the world's armed forces find themselves wearing indistinguishable uniforms. 
 
 
 
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Mountaintroll    Pointless   9/17/2014 2:09:50 PM
By the time you strap on all your gear and get covered in dust or mud, no one can see what your uniform looks like anyway.  The troops would be better served by plain olive drab or khaki clothing.
 
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joe6pack       9/17/2014 3:09:25 PM
>call aquaflage is actually dangerous.
 
Dangerous.. and ludicrous fashion.. great...  At least they haven't bought into the.. lets slap a beret on everyone.. that will make them real warriors... silver lining here.. somewhere...
 
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DavidRB       9/17/2014 6:34:31 PM
It seemed odd to me that the only time the Navy camo would work, would be if you fell overboard, and that's just when you _don't_ want camo to work.
 
Shouldn't Navy camo be haze grey, with images of pipes, ropes and stanchions?
 
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