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Subject: stopping power
withheld    4/27/2002 7:34:11 PM
In regards to the M4's stopping power issue you discussed, I'd like to add that the M4(3,049ft/s) has close to equal muzzle velocity to the M16A2(3280ft/s) which has little effect on killing power at a distance. Also referring to your comment on determined enemies taking bullets repeatedly I'd like to say that when a man is shot by anything larger than a .22LR bullet, it is apt to take the spirit of the bayonet right out of him. The same issue was raised about the .30 caliber carbine in WWII because it was a smaller round. The .30 carbine has sent many of America's enemies from WWII to Vietnam to Valhalla via one round to the chest cavity. The whole stopping power issue is one best left to REMF's and armchair generals. The one thing I do agree with though, is the handgun issue. I'd much rather carry an M1911A1 into combat rather than any 9mm. I carry a customized Springfield Armory 1911 and have never had a problem with it. Give me an M4A1 with a Trijicon sight and an M203 over an M14 or any Kalashnikov rifle. Semper Fi!
 
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216BC    Body armor?   7/10/2003 10:48:40 AM
A while back I read that 5.56 does a better job penetrating kevlar than does 7.62. Can anyone confirm?
 
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joe6pack    RE:Body armor? re: 216bc   7/10/2003 11:18:01 AM
I don't have anything off hand to back this up with - but an educated guess would be no. Particularly if we are talking about the higher threat level body armor with plates. I'm dubious of your plain old kevlar vest being able to stop either although it might reduce some of the damage...
 
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11b10    RE:Body armor? re: 216bc   7/10/2003 1:46:39 PM
What 7.62 round are you talking about there are many, all with different characteristics.It also depends on the length of the barrel the rounds were fired from.The shorter the barrel the lower the muzzle velocity.
 
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Parsifel    RE:stopping power   7/10/2003 3:18:46 PM
As an ex-user of M1911A1, I will sing its praises. The beauty is it will work always, in almost any condition. If I pick on us and shake it, I want to hear the guts rattle, then I trust it. Thank God for low-tech sometimes.
 
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M4A3E2(76)W    RE:Bullet penetration   7/10/2003 4:47:05 PM
Bullet penetration was mentioned, here is an interesting site on the topic. link
 
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