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Subject: What Kind of War in Fallujah?
James Dunnigan    11/7/2004 9:18:51 PM

What kind of fighting will occur in Fallujah? It will be a game of wits, as well as weapons. The most professional and experienced anti-government gunmen are in Fallujah, and they have developed many countermeasures for the coalition advantages. A major disadvantage is the coalition control of the air, and the constant presence of UAVs, aircraft or helicopters. Too many gunmen have seen their buddies ambushed, or jumped by unexpected coalition troops, to ignore the possibility of a UAV above sending live video of the battlefield to coalition commanders. So the gunmen try to set up movement routes that cannot be seen from the air. Rugs or sheets are spread across alleys to make this possible, and sometimes even short tunnels are dug. The downside of this is that movement is inhibited. In fact, American troops do not always have a vidcam equipped UAV over the battlefield. But Department of Defense public affairs people like to distribute videos of such operations. The implication that American troops can "see everything" is meant to intimidate the enemy. It does, and slows down enemy movements, often fatally so.

In any event, the loose cordon around Fallujah has made it possible for many Sunni Arab gunmen to flee Fallujah. The gang leaders will probably not stay to fight, but with Fallujah gone, a major hiding place for these guys is under government control. The fewer places where the gangs can gather openly, the fewer gangs can operate, and the fewer Sunni suicide bombers and gunmen there are in action.

 
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Rod_Graves    RE:What Kind of War in Fallujah?    11/8/2004 1:19:15 PM
Why the loose cordon? It seems to me that this was a golden opportunity to isolate and squeeze. Allow anyone who wanted to leave to leave subject to search and identification (looking for known bad guys and foreign elements), and then proceed to smash what remained. Still and all removing a major sanctuary counts for a lot. RGG Sends
 
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   RE:What Kind of War in Fallujah?    11/8/2004 11:05:43 PM
Funny the attack didn't start till AFTER the election. Of course there was no political aspect to that decision. Gee, and I thought Kerry was the one to do anything to get elected.
 
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Rod_Graves    RE:What Kind of War in Fallujah?    11/9/2004 1:34:12 PM
Anonymous, Kicking off the Battle for Fallujah during the election season was a lose/lose proposition politically. Strategically (the topic of this forum, I remind you) allowing the enemy to build up and concentrate had the benefit of giving our forces a non-dispersed target. It also raised the stakes for our forces (attacking prepared enemy positions is a non-trivial task). All in all it seems to be working well for us. 5 dead and 12 wounded constitutes rather light losses for MOUT. RGG Sends
 
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   RE:What Kind of War in Fallujah?    11/9/2004 5:05:57 PM
Granted, but did the enemy build up and concentrate or did they add more booby traps? So far so good but it is unfortunate that the decision to go had ANY political aspect. Soldiers die when decisions are made for political rather than military reasons. I hoped that George was above that; guess not. R Mccarthy
 
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rndmsfree    RE:What Kind of War in Fallujah?    11/9/2004 8:52:56 PM
>>>Soldiers die when decisions are made for political rather than military reasons. I hoped that George was above that; guess not. You, sir, appear to live as the ostrich does. You should school yourself in the nature of REALITY. And you should read your Clausewitz: "War is nothing more than the continuation of politics by other means." Honestly, how you could possibly suggest that there is any separation is beyond me. On the other hand, tactically, the ground commanders need to be given a fairly free hand. No Lyndon Johnson-style approving individual target bull. However, I think even the most liberal would agree that Bush is a master delegator, though (although I'd imagine they'd have more negative reasons to explain this trait than myself).
 
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   RE:What Kind of War in Fallujah?    11/10/2004 10:43:29 PM
Clausewitz wasnt trying to get elected President.
 
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rndmsfree    RE:What Kind of War in Fallujah?    11/11/2004 3:07:16 AM
absolutely true and absolutely irrelevant. his political status doesn't contradict the argument. try another angle, such as disproving, or at least discrediting, the "...politics by other means..." statement rather than attacking Clausewitz's position. Actually, attack anything he said, just make it legitimate.
 
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rndmsfree    RE:What Kind of War in Fallujah?    11/11/2004 3:09:32 AM
clarification... RE: "rather than attacking Clausewitz's position." Clausewitz's political position (or lack thereof), rather than his arguementative position.
 
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