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Subject: 120mm Ammo for Urban Warfare
James Dunnigan    11/3/2004 10:59:35 PM

A new generation of tank gun ammunition is proving very useful in Iraq and Israel. The new shells are better at killing infantry, and destroying bunkers and buildings, rather than destroying tanks. In the 1990s, new shells were developed for this, but in the last few years, 19,000 M830A1 multipurpose 120mm tank gun rounds were modified (to become M908 shells), to make them more lethal against bunkers, buildings and unarmored vehicles. In addition, there is the M1028, which is a 120mm shotgun shell (containing 1100 10mm tungsten balls, that can kill or wound at up to 700 meters from the tank), that began production in 2002. This shell, and the M908, are what American M-1 tanks use nearly all the time in Iraq. Israel pioneered both types of tank ammunition, and has been using their versions heavily in Palestinian areas during the last four years. These two shells make tanks much more useful in urban fighting. Hostile gunmen often take cover in buildings, or trees and crops. The M908 can knock down buildings, and the M1028 can clear out anyone sniping at you from lighter structures or vegetation.

 
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gf0012-aust    120mm Ammo for Urban Warfare   11/3/2004 11:56:12 PM
The concept of cannister or grape used against jungle and buildings was around well before the Israelis were using it. The Brits were using cannister in Malaysia, and Australian Centurions were using cannister for anti-insurgent use in jungle warfare in Vietnam. IIRC Some of the armour to jungle doctrine developed by the Aust armoured corp is still used as a training example in the US. the notion of using it at a 120mm level might be new - but it's been around far longer from 6pounder to 20pounder main-tank guns.
 
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boer    RE:120mm Ammo for Urban Warfare   1/14/2005 12:48:53 PM
aren't these called mpat round? (the m903)
 
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