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Weapons: Thousands Of XM-25s Headed To The Troops
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May 16, 2011: The spectacular success, and popularity, of the XM-25 grenade launchers in Afghanistan (since late last year, when five of them were sent to combat troops), has forced the U.S. Army to hustle and get more of them to the combat zone as soon as possible. Right now, 36 more are being hand-built (as all prototypes were), and these should be delivered to infantry units by late next year. Meanwhile, mass production has been ordered, and this will result in over 12,000 of the weapons being delivered, starting in 2014.

It was obvious that the XM-25 was a success after only 55 of the 25mm rounds were fired in combat. The users protested having to give them up after the few months of field testing. All this because the XM-25s work as advertised, firing "smart rounds" that explode over the heads of Taliban hiding behind rocks or walls, or hiding in a cave or room. Enemy machine-guns have been quickly knocked out of action and ambushes quickly disrupted with a few 25mm shells. Encounters that might go on for 15 minutes or longer, as U.S. troops exchange fire with hidden Taliban, end in minutes after a few 25mm, computer controlled, rounds were fired.

American infantry love gadgets, and they are extremely eager to get electronics that help them in combat. The XM-25 is all that, and the troops want more. In response, the U.S. Army decided to let the paratroopers keep the five XM-25s, and to speed up plans to produce more. The word has gotten around in Afghanistan, and every combat unit there is asking for XM-25s. Although warned to keep operational details off public Internet forums, XM-25 users are telling stories to other combat troops of a wonder-weapon that actually works.

All this comes after years of testing and debating whether the XM-25 was ready for a combat test. Finally, three months ago, after yet another year of testing and tinkering, the U.S. Army finally sent five of its high-tech, but long delayed, XM-25 grenade launchers to Afghanistan. This was supposed to happen in 2008, but testing kept revealing things that needed to be tweaked. The first troops to get the initial five XM-25s were paratroopers. It was always the plan that another 36 would quickly follow if there were no problems with the first five. But now those 36 are being rushed out as quickly as possible.

The years of testing and tweaking, in response to troop feedback, paid off. Even the current batch of users had suggestions for improvements, and some of these are being incorporated the next 36 being built. The mass production model will have still more changes. The troops also asked for a longer range (700-1000 meters) round, but this would probably require some major engineering and testing. But such longer ranges are required in a place like Afghanistan, where there's a lot of open terrain, surrounded by hills and places for hostile gunmen to fire from. Yet even with the current model, it's obvious that the XM-25 gives the troops something they need, and now want. The XM-25 won't win the war by itself, but it will make life much for precarious for Taliban fighters.

In development since the 1990s, the revolutionary, XM-25 grenade launcher has gone through several major design changes. It was six years ago that six XM-25s were delivered to the U.S. Army for troop testing. Two years, a few were sent overseas for testing in combat situations. While the troops have been very enthusiastic about the new weapon, there were a lot of suggestions, mostly about minor items. So the army kept tweaking and refining the weapon.

The XM-25 was originally one of two weapons (the other being a 5.56mm rifle) incorporated in the 8.2 kg (18 pound) XM-29 OICW (Objective Individual Combat Weapon). The OICW was originally developed as a replacement for the 40mm grenade launcher, with the intention of giving the grenadier some rifle firepower as well. Didn't work out as intended.

The big problem was effectiveness. The older 40mm, unguided, grenade rounds weigh 540 grams (19 ounces) each, the original 20mm OICW round weighed half that. This was one of the several major problems with the OICW. It was too heavy and ungainly, and the 20mm "smart shell" it fired did not appear capable of effectively putting enemy troops out of action consistently, especially compared to the 40mm shell it was replacing. So, in August, 2003, it was decided to take the 5.56mm portion out of the OICW and develop it as a separate weapon (the XM-8) and develop the grenade launcher part that fired the "smart shell" as the XM-25. But the XM-25 would now use a 25mm shell, which would generate 50 percent more fragments (and heavier ones at that) than the 20mm shell of the OICW.

The 20mm and 25mm "smart shells" both use a computer controlled fuze. The XM-25 operator can choose one of four different firing modes via a selector switch on the weapon. The four modes include "Bursting" (airburst). For this to work, the soldier first finds the target via the weapons sighting system. The sight includes a laser range finder and the ability to select and adjust the range shown in the sight picture. For an air burst, the soldier aims at an enemy position and fires a round. The shell is optimized to spray incapacitating (wounding or killing) fragments in a roughly six meter (19 foot) radius from the exploding round. Thus if enemy troops are seen moving near trees or buildings at a long distance (over 500 meters), the weapon has a good chance of getting them with one shot. M-16s are not very accurate at that range, and the enemy troops will dive for cover as soon as M-16 bullets hit around them. With smart shells, you get one (or a few) accurate shots and the element of surprise. The smart shells can be used out to 700 meters, but not as accurately. At those longer ranges, you can't put a shell through a window, but you can hurt a crowd of gunmen standing outside the building.

The other modes are "PD" (point detonation, where the round explodes on contact), PDD (point detonation delay, where the round detonates immediately after it has gone through a door, window or thin wall) and "Window", which is used for firing at enemy troops in a trench, behind a stone wall or inside a room. The round detonates just beyond the aiming point. For buildings, this would be a window or door frame, cave entrance or the corner of a building (to get enemy troops thought to be around the corner.)

The XM25 is still a heavy weapon, with the final version coming in at 5.5 kg (12 pounds). The 25mm shells weigh over half a pound each (270 grams). On the plus side, there is already a 25mm armor piercing round (using a shaped charge capable of penetrating over 50mm of armor) available. This makes the XM-25 capable of knocking out light armored vehicles. Then there are the new versions of 25mm round, like fuel-air explosive (or "thermobaric"). Such a shell would cause greater blast effect in an enclosed space, and actually suck most of the oxygen out of a cave or closed room long enough to make surviving troops at least a bit groggy. This gives the attacking troops an opportunity to rush in and kill the enemy, or take prisoners. In combat, every little advantage helps. With the XM-25, hiding behind rocks, trees, walls or in caves will no longer protect you. There is also a flechette ("shotgun") round. The magazine holds four rounds, which cost, on average $35 each. The XM-25, with its 4x thermal sight, costs $25,000.

Meanwhile, a year ago South Korea got its first export customer for its similar K-11 20mm infantry rifle. The UAE (United Arab Emirates) ordered 50 of the $14,000 20mm/5.56mm weapon, to try them out. It was two years ago that South Korea revealed it had developed the K-11, which appears to be identical in concept of the U.S. Army XM-29 (or OICW). The South Korean version weighs 6.1 kg (13.4 pounds) and combines a 5.56mm rifle, with one firing 20mm computer and laser controlled shells. The South Korean weapon appears to operate the same way as the 20mm shell of the XM-29. The South Koreans plan to issue the K-11, on the basis of two weapons per squad (an infantry unit containing 10-12 men). The K-11 is about 25 percent cheaper than the XM-29.

It's unclear if the South Koreans found solutions to the problems the XM-29 and XM-25 encountered, or simply developed an improved XM-29 and decided it was useful in small numbers. The South Koreans have found that the 20mm smart shell is effective out to about 500 meters. South Korean troops began receiving the K-11 last year, and there's nothing to stop any NATO nation from buying a few K-11s for their troops in Afghanistan. Then again, maybe not. South Korea recently halted production of the K-11 because nearly half of those already distributed to the troops had design or manufacturing problems. So it appears that the K-11 was rushed out the door, while the XM-25 spent years finding and fixing problems before turning some over to the troops to do whatever was needed with the reliable and effective new weapon.

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Tucci78    When enough of these get out there...   5/17/2011 4:35:54 PM
...figure one M-25 per squad, and some bright platoon sergeant is going to have his grenadiers coordinate "time on target" barrages, with each man lasering in on the same site and the NCO doing a "Three, two, one, fire!" over the radio so that two or three or four of those "smart" projectiles comes down on the gomers all at once.
 
Have the weapons developers considered this possibility? I'd think they would, but you never know how the obvious is going to slide right past the experts. 
 
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Little Ray       5/17/2011 4:51:13 PM
Since the darn things are semi-automatic, grenadiers can empty their magazines in a relatively short time.
So, if all four grenadiers empty their magazines, you could get 16 rounds on the target in under 30 seconds. 
That ought to leave a mark. 
 
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gandalf    Basic Load?   5/17/2011 10:10:10 PM
Any idea what the basic load would be for this weapon?
 
M203 grenadier now carries 23-26 rounds of various 40mm LV grenades ~ 12.5-13 lbs worth.

Not sure what the M140 grenadier now carries.  24?  30?
 
For the XM25, you have a 12 lb weapon and a half pound round, 4 rounds per mag.  Would they carry the same weight?  24-28 rounds?
 
It's interesting that the XM25 round and the 40mm LV HEDP are about the same weight.  Probably due to the fuze weight and higher muzzle velocity of the XM25 round.
 
One thing is for sure, the effectiveness will be higher given the AB mode and built in fire control.

If this thing is as useful as they say it is, I would guess that the grenadier will just hand his squad mates full 2.5 lb mags so they can distribute the load and bring even more rounds on missions - say 40-60 rounds.
 
Come to think of it, this may be a better turret weapon than the M2 for HMMWV's.  Say mount an M240 and XM25 in the turret - lighter and more accurate firepower.
 
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doggtag       5/18/2011 8:04:41 AM
 

Come to think of it, this may be a better turret weapon than the M2 for HMMWV's.  Say mount an M240 and XM25 in the turret - lighter and more accurate firepower.


Actually,
ATK, makers of the famous Chain Gun family (25mm M242 Bushmaster, 30mm M230, 30mm MK44/Bushmaste II, etc),
have taken the 25mm programmable grenade tech and developed a Chain Gun to use it,
the LW 25.
 
It's already been trialed on various platforms as either a singular pintle or installed in an RWS,
it just hasn't been adopted yet.
But with this new individual 25mm weapon coming into service, the logical course of action then is finally fielding an automatic version.
 
Initially, the XM307 was the precursor design of the programmable 25mm grenade machine gun, but has fallen by the wayside.
Still, it has a chance to see a comeback now.
Vehicle mounts may prefer the reliability of the Chain Gun design, and they would have sufficient power to drive the gun mechanism, especially if mounted into an RWS.
 
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Ispose    Grenadier   5/18/2011 11:48:02 AM
What is the grenadier using for a personal weapon?...lugging the XM-25, its ammo, and M-4, its ammo, body armor, and all the rest of your gear will be a bear.
As much as this is better than an underslung ala M203 GL...having to carry two weapons would be a bitch...not sure if I would be comfortable with having my only backup weapon being a M-9 pistol.
Maybe they can mate a P-90 type weapon to the XM-25 to give them a "Gun" for close in work.
Would make for a heavier weapon but still better than carrying 2.
 
 
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Tucci78    Personal weapon for the grenadier   5/18/2011 1:46:29 PM

What is the grenadier using for a personal weapon?...lugging the XM-25, its ammo, and M-4, its ammo, body armor, and all the rest of your gear will be a bear.

As much as this is better than an underslung ala M203 GL...having to carry two weapons would be a bitch...not sure if I would be comfortable with having my only backup weapon being a M-9 pistol.

Maybe they can mate a P-90 type weapon to the XM-25 to give them a "Gun" for close in work.

Would make for a heavier weapon but still better than carrying 2.
 

Adding the P-90 (or a any integration of FN's P-90 weapons system with the XM-25) would necessitate carriage of yet another type of ammunition (5.57mm rounds). That ain't gonna be at all popular with either the shooters or the supply people
 
I'd suggest instead that the initial users of the XM-25 - particularly those guys who are going to be receiving the 36 hand-assembled items (do we call it the YM-25 now?).- be surveyed to find out what they think best suits the needs of the grenadier in combat.
 
Might get back from them a "screw it, I can always sling an M-4 over my shoulder if I need to." 
 
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