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Dutch Infantry Work Their Rifles To Death
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February 7, 2009: Dutch troops in southern Afghanistan are getting the first extended combat workout in over half a century. This has caused expected wear and tear on equipment and weapons. The Netherlands is using the need to refurbish many of their weapons, as an opportunity to upgrade them as well. Thus M-16 and M-4 assault rifles are not only having worn parts replaced, but are having standard rails (which allow quick attachment of sights and other gear) added, as well as the "red dot" sights that U.S. troops have found so useful. By replacing the traditional cross-hairs (which are actually hard to see), with a more visible red dot, troops can get off a more accurate shot more quickly and more often. The rifles will also have minor (but popular and combat tested) changes made to the butt stock, fire selector and magazine release.
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FlyingDutchman       2/7/2009 2:50:24 PM
Nice to see an article about the Netherlands.
 
Too bad it's inaccurate.
 
The Dutch army uses the Diemaco C7, C8 and LOAW.
Maybe some of the special forces use other weapons, but predominately it'll be Diemaco's.
 
Too bad the rest of the Dutch armed forces get's cut back more and more to pay for Afghanistan and other places.
The purchase of the JSF is also still not sure.
It's also possible the initial buy of 85 will be cut back to 40/50ish.  
 
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JFKY    Flying Dutchman   2/7/2009 7:05:42 PM
Dude:
1) the C-7/8 are basically M-16's and M-4's aren't they?  If the action is the same, it's an M-16, isn't it?  If the only differences are in sights, or hardware, then it's not that much of aa difference, they certainly look like M-16's and M-4's in photos.
2) You FOOLS,  EVERYONE KNOWS THE M-16 SUCKS ROCKS!  You should be using the Ak-47/Galil/R-4/HK 416/G-36/G-3/FN-FAL...but not the M-16.  Remember it sucks....
 
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maruben    The Question should be   2/9/2009 1:47:15 PM
Why are they using the Canadian Rifles and not the American made? Please information.
 
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    FlyingDutchman       2/10/2009 2:46:18 PM

    Why are they using the Canadian Rifles and not the American made? Please information.

     


  • http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cf/Flag_of_Canada.svg/22px-Flag_of_Canada.svg.png" width="22" border="0" height="11" /> Canada

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    IIRC during the early nineties, the Dutch army chose between the Diemaco and the Steyr bull-pup assault rifle.
    I have no idea why a normal M-4 wasn't competing too.
     
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    jic       2/12/2009 10:08:24 AM

    Why are they using the Canadian Rifles and not the American made? Please information.

     


  • http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cf/Flag_of_Canada.svg/22px-Flag_of_Canada.svg.png" width="22" height="11" /> Canada
  • http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9c/Flag_of_Denmark.svg/22px-Flag_of_Denmark.svg.png" width="22" height="17" /> Denmark
  • http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c3/Flag_of_France.svg/22px-Flag_of_France.svg.png" width="22" height="15" /> France
  • http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/ce/Flag_of_Iceland.svg/22px-Flag_of_Iceland.svg.png" width="22" height="16" /> Iceland
  • http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/20/Flag_of_the_Netherlands.svg/22px-Flag_of_the_Netherlands.svg.png" width="22" height="15" /> Netherlands
  • http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d9/Flag_of_Norway.svg/22px-Flag_of_Norway.svg.png" width="22" height="16" /> Norway
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    As I understand it, there were two main reasons: the Canadian version had full-auto fire as standard, and they were cheaper.  There are also some very minor diferences in things like sights and handgrips.  Otherwise, they are essentially identical to the American rifles, and are built under license from Colt.
     
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    strat-T21C       2/13/2009 3:30:56 PM

    Dude:

    1) the C-7/8 are basically M-16's and M-4's aren't they?  If the action is the same, it's an M-16, isn't it?  If the only differences are in sights, or hardware, then it's not that much of aa difference, they certainly look like M-16's and M-4's in photos.

    2) You FOOLS,  EVERYONE KNOWS THE M-16 SUCKS ROCKS!  You should be using the Ak-47/Galil/R-4/HK 416/G-36/G-3/FN-FAL...but not the M-16.  Remember it sucks....
     
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    strat-T21C       2/13/2009 3:42:47 PM
    Let's see if this works this time! The C-7/C-8 series is pretty mutch the same as M16/M-4. There hase been some structual work in the forestock and the butt to make it more robust for the extreams in weather in Canada along with some tweeking internally for the same reasons. The rifle is reliable and acurate and beat out the competition duing the trials.
     
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    jic       2/16/2009 9:18:19 PM

    There hase been some structual work in the forestock and the butt to make it more robust for the extreams in weather in Canada along with some tweeking internally for the same reasons.
    Wouldn't the US Army face those same extremes of weather in Alaska?  Hell, in Minnesota?
     
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