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Surface Forces: Russia Aims To Be Number Two
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August 3, 2007: The head of Russia's navy announced a new building plan that would, in twenty years, make the Russian fleet the world's second largest navy. Apparently a force of about a hundred ships is being planned, to include forty or more nuclear subs, six aircraft carriers and at least fifty newly built surface ships. To that end, $46 billion has been allocated for ship building over the next eight years. It's only in the last few years that many warship building projects have been resumed. New ship designs are being prepared for construction. Unlike Soviet era ships, the new ones will not be specialized, but, like most Western ships, will be multipurpose.

 

A large part of reviving old Soviet era building programs, is replacing ship building facilities that were lost to Russia when the Soviet Union broke up. As part of that process, whatever factories, military bases or weapons were in one of the 14 parts of the Soviet Union that became new countries, became a possession of the new country. Thus Ukraine inherited substantial warship building facilities, as well as factories that produced many warship components. Russia has built new yards and factories to provide all the components and shipbuilding facilities needed for this new building program. At the same time, most of these ship building yards are dual-purpose, and can produce civilian ships as well.

 

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asavery    right...   8/3/2007 9:20:39 AM
Keep sucking on that vodka Vlad!
 
First the have to stop the declining fleet numbers, then they have to step up non-export construction, and improve quality & safety.  They will be lucky if they accomplish half of this twenty years.
 
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Herald1234    Build cycles   8/3/2007 12:26:44 PM
Build forty or more nuclear subs, six aircraft carriers and at least fifty newly built surface ships. In twenty years?

Russia has how many build slips and assembly sheds?

The USN would have trouble meeting that program.
Russian build cycles;
0,0,0,2,3,2,3,2,3,2,3,2,3,2,3,2,3,2,3,0,0,0-Cold war build rates submarines check
0,0,0,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,0,0,0-Cold war build rates surface ships fail
0,0,0,0,0,1,0,0,0,0,0,1,0,0,0,0,0,1,0,0,0,0-Cold war build rates carriers fail.

Indications are that Russia has a third of her MAXIMUM cold war warship build capacity.

Realistic expectations,

Twenty new build attack and ballistic missile submarines+export orders.
Thirty to forty  frigate sized warships+export orders.
One or maybe two new aviation ships  of the QE size.

Russia is having trouble rebuilding one of her Kievs to export customer specifications. The realistic build expectations projections are very OPTIMISTIC.

Herald
 
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VelocityVector    Population Decline   8/3/2007 2:09:54 PM
Who is going to man all those ships, airwings and infrastructure?  How will they train all those volunteers to western skill levels?  Meh.

v^2

 
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Herc the Merc       8/3/2007 4:09:59 PM
Target rich environment, plus vodka driven cre presents alusive target practice, great manoevers.
 
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andyf       8/3/2007 5:16:49 PM
have you ben looking at the news?
Putins got some new pro-kremlin scouts type organization going
massive rally.
huds of thousands of disadvantaged kids, dancing, doing outdoorsy things
learning kung fu, watching political plays,
if there was a diferent flag present and it had been in black and white I could almost be watching a 1930's newsreel
and we know what came of that
 
big rebuild of military....
 
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sjdoc    For what reason...?   8/3/2007 5:33:53 PM
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...does Russia need a blue-water navy, anyway? 
 
They're a petrochemical-producing country, so their national economy would (theoretically) benefit from turmoil in the Middle East.  They have no foreign empire, nor any proximal interest in causing destabilization among other nations' economic and/or political spheres of influence.  They're not threatened at sea (as they are on their southern frontiers) by Islamic whackjobs and the Red Chinese. 
 
Strangely enough, like the British (and the French, the Germans, the Italians, the Greeks, the Turks, and just about everybody else on the planet) the Russians benefit from American naval hegemony because U.S. Navy units are committed to upholding the laws of the sea and protecting peaceful international commerce at no cost to the Russian taxpayer at all. 
 
Americans - like the British and the rest of Western Europe - need to invest some capital in fleet operational capabilities.  International commerce is vital to us.  The Russians, by contrast, don't have much business to conduct by way of shipping outside the Baltic, and aren't exactly what you'd call particularly vulnerable to amphibious assault anywhere along its borders. 
 
So how is Putin "selling" the idea of an expanded navy - to include aircraft carriers, Borjemoi! - to the people of the Rodina
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Photon       8/3/2007 10:48:15 PM
With the oil money, the Russians can revive their own MIC, including naval shipyards.  However, I think what they have to do first is to retire as many outdated ship classes and any others that are beyond their maintenance capability.  Meanwhile, they will have to professionalize their navy, as well as the rest of their armed forces.  The Soviet-era conscript-heavy navy will not work any more.  All of these things alone will take some time.  The temptation to expand the navy should be carefully thought out and avoid sacrificing quality for quantity.  If they can sort out the necessary infrastructures (both material and personnel) and able to sustain them, then they can come up with more powerful navy.  But the desire to have the second largest navy in the world is still questionable; Russia has the longest border in the world to watch over, but much of her coast are blocked by the Arctic, even though Russia also has the longest coastline in the world.
 
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Zhang Fei       8/4/2007 12:50:57 AM
I understand Russia wants to claim the North Pole as sovereign Russian territory. Would a bigger navy help in enforcing Russian territorial claims?
 
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cyberstranger       8/4/2007 4:48:11 AM
It's all wishful thinking of V. Putin and his team. Truth is stranger than their fiction. They shoud put the Russian Armed Forces, including the Navy in order first. It took them almost one year to make the first Su-34, the Russian equivalent of the US F-15 E which was designed in mid 80s. Even if they have enough money to build the new ships, who will man them? The Nashi (Ours)? LOL!!!
 
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french stratege       8/4/2007 11:16:23 AM
It they have the money they can surely build such a fleet in 20 years whatever think Herald.
Shipyards are only used at a fraction of their capacities.See how production scale up in WW2.
I'm only surprise for the number of carriers.3 or 4 seems enough since Russia dominate Eurasian continent and with air refueling they can reach any part.
And they would not challenge USA in americas with 6.
Now to have 40 modern SSN makes sense.
 
To that end, $23 billion has been allocated for ship building over the next eight years.
With internal prices a quarter of USA ones, or a third of Europe, it is a massive quantity which would excess in real price what USA spend or whole Europe of course.
 
 
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