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Returning To North America

August 7, 2009: Two Russian SSNs (attack subs) were detected off the east coast of the United States recently, in international waters. Russia admitted two of its Akula class boats were out there. This was the first time Russian subs have been off the North American coast in over a decade. This spotlights something the Russian admirals would rather not dwell on. The Russian Navy has not only shrunk since the end of the Cold War in 1991, but it has also become much less active. In the last three years, only ten of their nuclear subs went to sea, on a combat patrol, each year. Most of the boats going to sea were SSNs, the minority were SSBNs (ballistic missile boats). There were often short range training missions, which often lasted a few days, or just a few hours.

The true measure of a fleet's combat ability is the number of "combat patrols" or "deployments" in makes in a year and how long they are. In the U.S. Navy, most of these last from 2-6 months. In the last three years, U.S. nuclear subs have carried out ten times as many patrols as their Russian counterparts. Russia is trying to catch up, but has a long way to go.

Currently, Russia only has 14 SSBN (nuclear ballistic missile sub) boats in service, and not all of them have a full load of missiles. Some lack full crews, or have key systems in need of repair. Only about eight of them are fit to leave port.

Russia has only 14 modern, 7,000 ton, Akula SSNs (nuclear attack subs) in service. These began building in the late 1980s and are roughly comparable to the American Los Angeles class. All of the earlier Russian SSNs are trash, and most have been decommissioned. There are also eight SSGN (nuclear subs carrying cruise missiles) and 20 diesel electric boats. There is a new class of SSGNs under construction, but progress, and promised funding increases, have been slow.

Currently, the U.S. has six of the new, 7,700 ton, Virginia class SSNs in service, four under construction and nine on order. The mainstay of the American submarine force is still the 6,100 ton Los Angeles-class SSN. Sixty-two of these submarines were built, 45 of which remain in front-line service, making it probably the largest class of nuclear submarines that will ever be built. The Seawolf-class of nuclear attack submarines stopped at three from a planned class of twenty-nine. The 8,600 ton Seawolf was designed as a super-submarine, designed to fight the Soviet Navy at its height. Reportedly, it is quieter going 40 kilometers an hour, than the Los Angeles-class submarines are at pier side.

The peak year for Russian nuclear sub patrols was 1984, when there were 230. That number rapidly declined until, in 2002, there were none. Since the late 1990s, the Russian navy has been hustling to try and reverse this decline. But the navy budget, despite recent increases, is not large enough to build new ships to replace the current Cold War era fleet that is falling apart. The rapid decline of Russia's nuclear submarine fleet needed international help to safely decommission over a hundred obsolete, worn out, defective or broken down nuclear subs. This effort has been going on for nearly a decade, and was driven by the Russian threat to just sink their older nuclear subs in the Arctic ocean. That might work with conventional ships, but there was an international uproar over what would happen with all those nuclear reactors sitting on the ocean floor forever. Russia generously offered to accept donations to fund a dismantling program that included safe disposal (of the nuclear reactors).

Since the end of the Cold War in 1991, most of the ship building money has gone into new nuclear subs. Six Akulas have been completed in that time, but the first of a new generation of SSBNs, the Borei class was delayed by technical problems, a new ballistic missile that wouldn't work, and lack of money. The first Borei class boat, after many delays, is finally ready for service, and ended up costing over two billion dollars.

The Russian admirals made their big mistake in the early 1990s, when the dismantling of the Soviet Union left the second largest fleet in the world with only a fraction of its Cold War budget. Rather than immediately retire ninety percent of those ships, Russia tried to keep many of them operational. This consumed most of the navy budget, and didn't work. There were too many ships, not enough sailors and not enough money for maintenance or training at sea. The mighty Soviet fleet is mostly scrap now, or rusting hulks tied up at crumbling, out-of-the way naval bases.

While Western nuclear subs can last for about thirty years, Russian models rarely get past twenty. That means two new SSN or SSGN has to be put into service each year to maintain a force of forty boats. Unless the sub construction budget get billions more dollars a year, that is not going to happen. Right now, the priority is on producing a new class of SSBNs (11 more Boreis are planned or under construction). These Boreis are critical, because they carry SLBM (Sea Launched Ballistic Missiles) that provide a critical (they are much harder to destroy in a first strike than land based missiles) portion of the nuclear deterrent. The rest of the Russian armed forces, like most of the navy, is in sad shape, and unable to resist a major invasion. Only the ICBMs and SLBMs guarantee the safety of the state. So the way things are going now, in a decade or two, Russia will end up with a force consisting of a dozen SSNs and a dozen SSBNs.

The current Russian fleet of nuclear subs is tiny, and the Russians would rather keep them tied up at dock most of the time. The crews can do a lot of training at dockside, and only go to sea a few times a year, to check on their state of training. Given the number of accidents their subs have had in the past decade, the training the crews are getting now is not sufficient. Sending two Akulas to the western Atlantic is a way to give the crews some badly needed experience at longer deployments and operating on the high seas.

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eldnah       8/7/2009 3:50:25 PM
Putin's looking for "Cash for Clunckers". Okay it's too obvious a crack but I couldn't resist.
 
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SneakySub    Wonder how many undected patrols there were?   8/7/2009 4:11:39 PM
Subs like Akula (or LA, Virginia) are only detected when they want to be detected. 
 
 
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Toosh       8/7/2009 6:37:58 PM
You couldn't pay me enough money to get on a Russian sub. The damn things are poorly engineered and maintained.  Having them deploy close to the USA is a good thing. Why? Because they have to travel a long way to get here which only increases the chances that something with go wrong and another one of these death traps will slide to the bottom. And since they don't have many of them to begin with.....well, that's even better yet.
 
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warpig       8/7/2009 7:09:13 PM
 
Wonder how many undetected patrols there were?
 
 
Subs like Akula (or LA, Virginia) are only detected when they want to be detected. 

 




...and when they sit tied up to the dock.
 
It isn't hard to tell how many patrols Russia has made.
 
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razputin       8/8/2009 3:51:52 AM

You couldn't pay me enough money to get on a Russian sub. The damn things are poorly engineered and maintained.  Having them deploy close to the USA is a good thing. Why? Because they have to travel a long way to get here which only increases the chances that something with go wrong and another one of these death traps will slide to the bottom. And since they don't have many of them to begin with.....well, that's even better yet.

Gains Through Borrowed Technology

As we have seen, the Russian naval mindset stresses performance over stealth. The Akula follows a line of boats that can outdive, outrun, and outshoot American subs in most categories. The notable exception is quietness. One American submarine captain described the acoustic profile of a seventies Russian sub as similar to that of a "threshing machine". American submarines are capable of a highly touted degree of akulastealth that no Russian sub can match. That is, until Akula. Western intelligence experts had expected the US lead in submarine acoustics to last well into the 21st century. The advent of the Akula class has many NATO military planners convinced that US subs have lost the advantage they enjoyed since the end of the Second World War.

Originally, the Soviet fast attacks (Victor class) were deployed in the sixties off the US coasts to shadow US boomers. When this strategy failed because the boomers were too quiet, the Soviet fast attacks received reassignments to escort their own boomers and provide retaliation deterrent against US fast attacks. To overtake the Americans, Russian engineers adopted and improved the machinery rafting designs that had proven successful in damping the turbine noise on American nuclear submarines. However, as one high-ranking American officer cautiously stated during an interview, the Russian technology may achieve a high level of noise suppression initially but degrades after service. The signature of an Akula grows more prominent with age, whether through inferior design, materials, or maintenance.

"It is difficult to find the most advanced Russian Akula class submarines when they operate at tactical speed or less," Admiral Jeremy Boorda said.

Other reported Russian design innovations included three separate anechoic coatings on the hull. The most significant achievements in reducing radiated noise were obtained through espionage. The spying efforts of American naval personnel John Walker and radioman Jerry Whitworth made the Soviet Union?s military chiefs aware of how far advanced American submarines were. Substantial efforts to marginalize the sound profile of the Akula can be traced to intelligence gained from the Walker spy ring. A separate but equally empowering sequence of events for the Russians was the illegal sale of propeller milling technology by the Japanese firm Toshiba and the Norwegian firm Kongsberg. The combined results generated a steep drop in broadband acoustic noise profiles.

 

Leading the Undersea Arms Race

Rapid gains are not won without some setbacks. Four Soviet-era submarines have been lost with the loss of over 500 men. There have been ten known nuclear accidents and many lesser accidents involving fires. Some of the blame, no doubt, is due to the acquisition of technology through espionage rather than painstaking research that includes thorough comprehension. There have been no known accidents of the Akula class boats operating from the Northern and Pacific Fleets, which leads one to believe the Russians have survived their lengthy trials and have produced a world-class product. Although Western military buffs are often quick to dismiss the former Soviet Union as technologically inept, the Akula class has raised serious doubts of who is leading whom.

akulaThis turnaround was painfully evident when US officials recently acknowledged for the first time that US submarines could not readily locate an Akula submarine operating off the coast of the USA. "It is difficult to find the most advanced Russian Akula class submarines when they operate at tactical speed or less," Admiral Jeremy Boorda said. Other military experts sounded the alarm as early as 1988. Anthony Batista, senior staff member of the Armed Forces Committee declared, "The Akula is the best submarine in the world today." A recent report from the Office of Naval Intelligence noted that the improved Akula submarines could indeed surpass the quieting of the Los Angeles class at tactical speeds. On August 9, 1995, during a lobbying effort on behalf of the Seawolf and the following Virginia class submarines, retired Vice Admiral E.A. Burkhalter announced that the $7 billion-per-year Russian program had produced "the Akula submarine, which is quieter than Seawolf." In an effort to raise public awareness, Martin Marietta, a leading defense contractor, ran ads featuring the Akula class in a number of newspapers including the San Diego Union-Tribune. While it may be difficult to separate the hype military supporters chronically use to "talk up a potential threat, in order to justify their own building programs" from the actual capabilities obscured by Russian secrecy, one impression remains: America can no longer claim uncontested dominance of the oceanic strata.

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RtWingCon    Razputin link   8/8/2009 5:07:02 AM
Other sources report that the Akula was indeed a quiet sub, comparable to a SSN Sturgeon Class (class before the Los Angeles). Quieter than a Los Angeles class is doubtful, quieter than the Seawolf is laughable when it is considered quieter at 40kts compared to a Los Angeles class dockside. According to Navel Intelligence officials, "the lastest Akulas are very quiet below 10 knots, but they develop audible knocks at speeds above that and become easy to detect". Also a minor point, Toshiba didn't simply sell technology to the soviets, they sold them the computer guiding milling machines to make those props. I'd say the lastest fearmongering about how quiet the Akulas are is simply a ploy to pry dollars out of Congress. Also if the Akula was that great at stealth and firepower(beyond a Los Angeles class), everyone and their mother would be buying it. Using the source "Blinds Man's Bluff" book authored by Sherry Sontag and Christopher Drew for my info and elsewhere. But the article link that was cited in previous post has excerpts that bear a striking resemblence to this book-minus the unflattering details.
By the way, it's a damn good book about the "silent service".
 
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gf0012-aust       8/8/2009 5:32:51 AM
the commentary about the Akulas being quieter than a Virginia is absolute BS.  I attended the UDT in Hawai'i in 2004 where the commentary about peerside acoustics Seawolf/Ohio I's was made when discussing the Virginia build process. (amongst other things)

There is no way in hades that the Akulas are even remotely close.   
 
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razputin       8/8/2009 6:30:09 AM

the commentary about the Akulas being quieter than a Virginia is absolute BS.  I attended the UDT in Hawai'i in 2004 where the commentary about peerside acoustics Seawolf/Ohio I's was made when discussing the Virginia build process. (amongst other things)

There is no way in hades that the Akulas are even remotely close.   

What was true for Akula in 2004 is no longer applies to Project 885/Yasen subs in 2009))
 
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razputin       8/8/2009 7:04:49 AM
Not to mention the Yasen-M platform which has even more advanced hydrodynamic noise reducing tech
 
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Toosh       8/8/2009 8:04:44 AM
I standby what I said before. You could not pay me enough money to get on ANY Russian sub. They're death traps. Nor do I buy Razputin's BS reply or that hogwah article he posted. RtwingCon has it pegged right. Moreover, I think there have been a lot more problems with Russian subs than has ever been reported. The Bulava is just the latest examples of Russian submarine "technology."
 
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Herald12345    ?????????????????   8/8/2009 8:07:14 AM
You cannot confuse rockets with subs.
 
Herald
 
 
 
 
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Toosh       8/8/2009 12:18:59 PM

You cannot confuse rockets with subs.


 

Herald
 
 
Who said I did, Herald? You? Don't make me laugh. The point of bringing up the Bulava was too show the whole sorry state of Russian submarines.....including their weapons. And yes I know the Bulava is not deployed yet but it accurately reflects, in my opinion, the sorry state of Russian sub technology. Their subs seem to have a never ending list of problems associated with them.........be it their sub launched  rockets or their torpedoes that blow up or fire extinguishing systems that injure people or their numerous accidents.  Most of which, I am sure,  don't get reported. The damn things are a mess and a death trap.  And the problem(s) can come from any number of systems.  I hate it when I have to spoon feed people like you, Herald. Get a clue.


 


 

 


 
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Herald12345    Irritated.   8/8/2009 3:19:06 PM




You cannot confuse rockets with subs.






 




Herald

 

 

Who said I did, Herald? You? Don't make me laugh. The point of bringing up the Bulava was too show the whole sorry state of Russian submarines.....including their weapons. And yes I know the Bulava is not deployed yet but it accurately reflects, in my opinion, the sorry state of Russian sub technology. Their subs seem to have a never ending list of problems associated with them.........be it their sub launched  rockets or their torpedoes that blow up or fire extinguishing systems that injure people or their numerous accidents.  Most of which, I am sure,  don't get reported. The damn things are a mess and a death trap.  And the problem(s) can come from any number of systems.  I hate it when I have to spoon feed people like you, Herald. Get a clue.







 






 



 







Read some of what I have written here. Don't assume.I'm one of those ignorant types who you think you can impress. .
 
Razputin exaggerates a bit one way, you exaggerate a lot the other way. Human operating error accounts for a lot of what you call Russian "deathtraps".
 
Or do you think that British and American safety records are all that pristine? There was the Upholder debacle when the Canadians accepted those subs for conversion. The reactor plumbing on the RN Swiftsures and Trafalgars is critically brittle, because some idiot chose the wrong pipe alloy that doesn't like neutrons at all   How about US SUBSAFE program failures (hull weld cracks in the latest of the Virginias discovered, now lead to a investigation of ElCo record fraud going back at least a decade) and the USS San Francisco running into a seamount, darling, because we didn't keep updated charts and follow proper navigation procedures aboard?. (SARCASM) 
 
The design, human factors, and quality control failures are not just Russian, and they are not limited to the machines, or to them..
 
Did you know that one of our D-5s blew up in a firing exercise in 2007? Only the second time ever, but it happened.  Maintenance failure at the depot
 
Herald
 
 
 
 
 
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razputin    to RtWingCon   8/8/2009 4:42:12 PM
Also if the Akula was that great at stealth and firepower(beyond a Los Angeles class), everyone and their mother would be buying it.

Yasen is not going to be for sale in the foreseeable future. Plus even if it was Russia does not have enough industrial capacity to fullfill the international orders at the moment. Especially since Russian Navy wants to have at least 8 of them by 2020.
 
 
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razputin    to RtWingCon   8/8/2009 4:56:46 PM

I standby what I said before. You could not pay me enough money to get on ANY Russian sub. They're death traps. Nor do I buy Razputin's BS reply or that hogwah article he posted. RtwingCon has it pegged right. Moreover, I think there have been a lot more problems with Russian subs than has ever been reported. The Bulava is just the latest examples of Russian submarine "technology."

Were Russians lack in safety and finesse we make up with innovation and we are not afraid to take risks which unfortunately sometimes results in loss of life. But as Herald has mentioned Western safety record when it comes to subs is nowhere near as perfect as many in the West may assume if they base their knowledge on fiction and not fact.
 
Bulava is a failure for a number of subjective reasons. Major one of them is the fact that the project was given to NII that had no experience whatsoever in developing sea launched rockets. They were successful in producing Topol missiles of which Bulava is a sub launched variant.
 
And if you want to talk about failures in weapon design and implementation then it seems now like F-22 would be a good case in point with all of its upgrade and design problems. Even though it still is a marvel of US weapons tech.
 
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