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Droids For Bottom Dwellers

August 5, 2009: The U.S. Navy has revealed that its four "commando subs" are carrying robotic aerial (UAV) and underwater (UUV) vehicles. The Sea Stalker is a torpedo shaped UUV that is deployed via the frogman deployment capsule on the deck of the sub. The 45 pound Scan Eagle UAV is already used by navy surface ships, and by marines on land. The fifteen pound Buster UAV is also being used by the subs, apparently from the deck, or from ashore by SEALs. With four hour endurance, and able to operate 40 kilometers from its radio control gear, Buster can easily be taken ashore.

As of last year, the U.S. Navy has completed the conversion of four Ohio class ballistic missile submarines (SSBNs), to cruise missile submarines (SSGN). Each of these boats now carries 154 Tomahawk cruise missiles, and provides space (for living, working and training) for 66 commandos (usually SEALs) and their equipment (including all those UAVs).

The idea of converting ballistic missile subs, that would have to be scrapped to fulfill disarmament agreements, has been bouncing around since the 1990s. After September 11, 2001, the idea got some traction. The navy submariners love this one, because they lost a lot of their reason for being, with the end of the Cold War.

The United States had built a powerful nuclear submarine force during the Cold War, but with the rapid disappearance of the Soviet navy in the 1990s, there was little reason to keep over a hundred U.S. nuclear subs in commission. These boats are expensive, costing over a billion each to build and over a million dollars a week to operate. The four Ohio class SSBN, after conversion, each now have at least twenty years of life left in them.

The idea of a sub, armed with 154 highly accurate cruise missiles, and capable of rapidly traveling under water (ignoring weather, or observation) at a speed of over 1,200 kilometers a day, to a far off hot spot, had great appeal in the post-Cold War world. The ability to carry a large force of commandos as well was also appealing. The Ohio SSGNs can also carry a wide variety of electronic sensors and other data collecting gear. Thus in one sub you have your choice of hammer or scalpel. More capable cruise missiles are in the works as well. Whether or not this multi-billion dollar investment will pay off remains to be seen. But it's certainly a bold move, and the navy already knows that Tomahawks and SEALs work.

As when it was an SSBN, SSGNs will have two crews (each with 159 personnel, not including commandoes), which will switch places in the boat every 3-4 months, flying out to far off locations like Guam for the swap. The four SSGNs will apparently spend most of their time on intelligence collecting missions. As such, it may be a while before you hear any details. Two of these boats are based in the Pacific, and two in the Atlantic.

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flyingarty    This   8/5/2009 12:33:20 PM
This is what Ahmadinejad fears more than US carriers, US subs shooting tomahawks, and B 2's. 2 weapons system he has no anwswer for, Flyingarty.
 
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flyingarty    This   8/5/2009 12:33:24 PM
This is what Ahmadinejad fears more than US carriers, US subs shooting tomahawks, and B 2's. 2 weapons system he has no anwswer for, Flyingarty.
 
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Whispering Death       8/6/2009 3:11:47 AM
Good god, 154 tomohawks?  You could destroy a small country with just one of those subs.
 
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usajoe1       8/6/2009 4:04:59 AM
This is what Ahmadinejad fears more than US carriers, US subs shooting tomahawks, and B 2's. 2 weapons system he has no anwswer for, Flyingarty.
 
Like he has an answer for our carriers, or for that matter any thing the US can throw at him.
 
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flyingarty    Like he has an answer   8/6/2009 1:35:43 PM
Well USN places flying over Iran stand a fair chance of being shot down by the Russian made SAM's Iran has bought. A carrier operatiing in the Persian gulf does not have much manuvering room let alone its enitre task force that it needs for protection. One of these subs is a silent menace though. I guess if you sent them in first along with the B-2's to take out the SAM and anti ship missile sites you're good to go, but right now the Navy does not have a stealthy bird until the F-35 is sent to the fleet. Dont get cocky! Flyingarty
 
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usajoe1       8/6/2009 7:02:54 PM
Well USN places flying over Iran stand a fair chance of being shot down by the Russian made SAM's Iran has bought. A carrier operatiing in the Persian gulf does not have much manuvering room let alone its enitre task force that it needs for protection. One of these subs is a silent menace though. I guess if you sent them in first along with the B-2's to take out the SAM and anti ship missile sites you're good to go, but right now the Navy does not have a stealthy bird until the F-35 is sent to the fleet. Dont get cocky! Flyingarty
 
LOL! OK KID
 
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Sty0pa       8/7/2009 9:26:52 AM
I'd guess that the strategic target of these systems is pointed less at Iran than China.
 
China's current strategy for Taiwan would be a saturation attack (they watched our Gulf Wars very carefully) with 1300+ missiles and a swarm of aircraft to literally sweep Taiwan's ability to resist from the face of the earth.
 
However.
 
While a US CVN group itself wouldn't do much to counter such an attack, the "?" of location and capability of such systems as SSNs with oodles of Tomahawks would make such a saturation strategy very dangerous.  Sure the missiles would launch from China, and the aircraft, but with 150 tomahawks per sub, the ability of the Chinese to follow-on their initial attack would be extremely vulnerable: airfield denial would mess up any sort of next-day utility of their airforce, and the ability to strike staging ports hard would make any seaborne transports unsurvivable.
 
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VelocityVector       8/12/2009 5:09:15 PM

'Roids ARE Bottom Dwellers.  Now that was funny.

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