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American Women Trained To Serve On Subs

July 26, 2009: Although women are not allowed to serve on U.S. Navy submarines, there are twelve submarine qualified female officers in the navy. That is, they have taken all the training required for someone to serve on a submarine. There is a lot more training on the boat before you become part of a crew. These women are technical specialists, and do serve for short periods on submarines, sharing a two person stateroom. Other navies (Australia, Canada, Denmark, Sweden, Spain and Norway) allow women to serve on subs, but not all of these countries have had many, if any, women actually volunteer for the service.

The U.S. Navy has a unique situation, however, mainly the length of the cruises (up to three months at a time for missile subs and a month or so for attack boats). The nations that already allow women on subs, have non-nuclear boats that spend far less time at sea, each time they go out. The women on these sub crews have got used to the lack of privacy, and both genders have adapted, as has been the case with mixed crews on surface warships. But the wives of American submariners have been openly hostile to the idea of mixed male/female crews. What the wives worry about is, well, sex. They know that this takes place on surface ships with mixed crews, and it has caused a few marriages to break up. Service on subs is even more claustrophobic and stressful. And there are far fewer places, compared to surface ships, for a couple to have some clandestine sex. But this sexual activity, even though banned on all USN warships, does happen.

There's also the problem of berthing, although other navies have simply put a curtain or two up to separate the male and female berthing. The officers and senior NCOs have shared rooms, and if women are allowed to serve on American subs, it will probably be women officers at first. Not a lot of men are willing to go through all the training and tests to qualify for a job as an enlisted sailor on a nuclear sub, and probably fewer women are interested.

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C3I2       7/26/2009 2:01:36 PM
"Other navies (Australia, Canada, Denmark, Spain and Norway)"
You can ad Sweden to that, been the case for more then a decade I think. 
 
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Nasty German Idiot       7/26/2009 3:03:27 PM
In Germany 30 females serve in the 1. U-Boat Geschwader, out of 630 total.  
 
In 2001 all branches were opened for females after a European Commission ruling. (highly controversial in Germany) 
 
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Gerry       7/26/2009 8:37:20 PM
If only the situation were reversed and I was one of three males onboard  with the remainder of the crew being women. Oh, "the horror, the horror". Would they think me a slut just because I was being used and abused by the crew. Damn, I'll never get to sleep tonite thinking about it.
 
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kevinf    no there are not:there are twelve submarine qualified female officers in the navy   7/27/2009 1:42:45 PM
Anyone who goes to initial training to be on an American sub, gets the submarine with an SU designation. That is Submarine Unqualified. You are not qualified until after an exhustive training period, hand's on, in which you learn every system on the sub, and then pass testing and a review board, ensuring that you are able to be the initial responder to any emergency on the boat.
The next point is Attack submaries normally have longer deployment periods than the Ballistic submarines. That 30 day stuff happens when getting ready for deployment.
Last point is that submarine wives have a lot of history to show that men and women who are assigned to the same ship have sex. The USS Emory S. Land, in her first deplyment to the Indian Ocean, had a mixed crew. During that four month deployment more than 80% of the female crew became pregnant. Pregnant women do not get deployed, so the majority of these women were sent back to the States. Leaving the ship short staffed, while waiting for replacements.
The US submarine Force had to start somewhere. Make an all women crew. Use our allies who allow women on their submaries, to train them. When you have enough for two crews, assign a boat to them. You will need two crews, as there are no regulations about getting pregnant. This may help to ensure you have a crew fit to go to sea.
Not being sexist, just a realist.
 
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C3I2       7/30/2009 4:49:52 PM
You did not state how many females on board, but even with the highly unlikely minimum number of 4/5 (out of a Complement of 85 officers and 1,268 enlisted) we're talking very low probabilities here. Its not, "no contraceptives" territory but more fertility drugs territory. Is serving on a submarine tender (supply ship) more phallic then a surface combatant?
 
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kirby1       8/2/2009 10:56:44 PM
1. Buy or build a Diesel Electric sub for Opfor training against our nuke boats and ASW platforms.
2. Crew it out with females trained by our allied countries.
3. Keep the program up and busy until you have enough trained women to build a crew for a nuke sub. 
4. Rinse and repeat for the second crew.
5. Take Nancy Pelosi on a tour, and arrange an accident that involves firing her out of a torpedo tube. 
 
 
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snappyj    research   9/25/2009 12:56:50 PM
I recommend you do a little bit of research before writing an article. As the last comment also mentioned, a month out to sea for an attack sub is a warm-up for what is usually a 6-8 month deployment. Also, women already go through the same training men do (the nuclear trained ones, anyways). The only difference in the on-the-job training you get once you are already on a submarine. On top of that, you say that less women will be interested in joining the submarine force than men... I have news for you: There are more men in the military than women. Weird, I know.... Anyways, all I am saying is do a bit of research so you don't sound like an idiot
 
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