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Royal Navy Learns To Talk Under Water

June 11, 2009: The British Royal Navy recently tested the American Deep Siren communications system for submerged subs, and was pleased with the results. Two years ago, the manufacturer (Raytheon) and the U.S. Navy completed development of this system, which enables nuclear subs to communicate with the rest of the world that, normally, could not be done until the boat came close to the surface and poked a radio antenna above the surface.

The Deep Siren, or "tactical paging system", provides a practical solution to the problem of communicating with a submerged sub. The system consists of a disposable buoy, that is dropped in the water, by an aircraft or over the side of a ship, in the general area (within about 90 kilometers) where the sub is believed to be. The buoy sends out an acoustic signal that U.S. subs are equipped to automatically pick up. This coded message either orders the sub to get a radio antenna above water and call home, or simply delivers a brief message. The buoy also has a satellite telephone capability, so that additional messages can be sent from anywhere, to the sub. The sub cannot send messages to the buoy (because powerful sensors are required to pick up the signals). In the past, the only way to "page" submerged subs was via a large, shore based, low frequency, transmission system. This system was less reliable than the new one, although it had a much longer range. 

The navy recently successfully tested the other end of the system. To do this, the sub releases a similar buoy through its garbage chute. The buoy hovers for a while (so the sub can move away), then rises to the surface and sends its messages. Thus the buoy signal will not give away the exact location of the boat. The buoy then receives messages (short ones) and uses a sonar type device to send the data acoustically, for up to 90 kilometers, to the sub. Outgoing messages, which are sent via satellite, can be longer, and even include outgoing email from the crew to family. But the acoustically transmitted messages are much shorter, and include orders from the surface ships, or anyone in the chain of command, to the sub commander.

Deep Siren will also be useful for American carrier task forces, which are usually accompanied by at least one SSN (nuclear attack sub.) Because thermal layers make underwater transmissions vary a great deal in range, the buoy sends the command messages several times to insure at least one gets through. The buoy from the sub can stay active for several days, if the sub is remaining in the area. But eventually, the buoy sinks itself. The U.S. Navy has spent about $10 million on Deep Siren so far, mainly to install it in some subs and test it. These tests continue, to see how reliable it would be under realistic conditions. Raytheon apparently believes the Deep Siren isn't ready for prime time yet, but for security reasons, isn't discussing what the problems are.

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gf0012-aust       6/11/2009 5:33:52 AM
"The navy recently successfully tested the other end of the system. To do this, the sub releases a similar buoy through its garbage chute. The buoy hovers for a while (so the sub can move away), then rises to the surface and sends its messages. Thus the buoy signal will not give away the exact location of the boat."

 If this is the Australian tech that we presented to DARPA and NAVSEA 5-6 years ago, then the buoy can also sink for later recovery after it's done its job.  It can be programmed to surface intermittently to either signal or to enable recovery.  We use the same tech to recover training weapons.

The PLAN and its AGI fishing ships already have a field day trying to recover US sonarbuoys and comms buoys when exercises are underway.  Giving the tech to them (making it disposable) is just plain stupid. 
 
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WarNerd       6/11/2009 10:39:18 AM

Giving the tech to them (making it disposable) is just plain stupid. 

Depends on where the tech is.  If the tricky parts on the submarine, in space, or at the sender's end, then the buoy's may be little more than an active sonar buoy with a satellite phone attached.  Not quite COTS, but close.
 
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gf0012-aust       6/11/2009 5:32:25 PM
Depends on where the tech is.  If the tricky parts on the submarine, in space, or at the sender's end, then the buoy's may be little more than an active sonar buoy with a satellite phone attached.  Not quite COTS, but close.

I take a little more rectal view of tech "sharing".  IMO you don't leave anything out for retrieval as even if its passive it allows people to start extrapolating things like duration, signal reach, retrieval and deployment issues, eg was it airlaunched sonar buoy in diameter, was in garbage launched (sub), was it dropped over the side (any skimmer, civilian or military) etc....

give them nothing. give them no opportunity.  after 20 years we should have learnt by now that the chinese are probably "the masters" at reverse building and adapting even if it does not meet western standards.  They will spiral develop from garbage and have the patience to develop that garbage into capability which suits their delivery mix. 
 
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Herald12345    Amen.   6/13/2009 8:08:57 PM
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