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Collision Alley

March 22, 2009: There have been three collisions, involving American SSNs in the Persian Gulf, during the last five years. On March 20th, a U.S. 24,000 ton amphibious ship (the USS New Orleans, LPD 18) collided with a submerged submarine (the 7,000 ton USS Hartford, SSN 768) in the narrow Straits of Hormuz. Fifteen sailors aboard the sub were injured, while a fuel tank on the LPD was torn open, and 25,000 gallons of fuel oil got into the water. Both vessels returned to port under their own power. The accident happened at 1 AM, local time.

In January, 2007, there was a minor collision between an American nuclear sub (the USS Newport News) and 1,100 foot long, 300,000 ton tanker (the Mogamigawa) in the Persian Gulf. There was some damage to the ship, in the form of a 108 foot long tear in the rear hull. The tear was four inches wide, and letting water in. The U.S. sub had its sonar dome, in the bow, badly damaged. But both vessels were able to make it back to port under their own power. An investigation revealed that the tanker was passing safely over the 360 foot long Newport News, but was going at such "high speed" (probably about 35 kilometers an hour), that a sucking effect was created, that pulled the 6,300 ton sub up until its bow banged against the bottom of the passing tanker. The Newport News was moving south, through the Straits of Hormuz, as was the Japanese ship. The tanker carried a crew of 24, the sub has 127 sailors on board.

In late 2005, nuclear submarine USS Philadelphia and a Turkish freighter collided in the Persian Gulf. In that case, the sub was on the surface, but the small radar signature of the surfaced sub did not show on the freighters radar until the ship was almost on top of the sub. The freighter and sub were on converging courses, with the freighter behind the sub. The collision, which had the 53,000 ton freighter running up over the back of the Philadelphia, on the right side, did not cause serious damage to either vessel. The sub suffered damage to its propeller, the fairwater plane, the rudder and the housing for the towed sonar array. The freighter got a hundred foot gash in its hull, right above the waterline. The two ships were entangled for an hour, but both made it back to port on their own.

The Straits of Hormuz, and the Persian Gulf in general, is a busy waterway, and there are always one or two U.S. SSNs there. That pattern, and all those collisions, may lead to changes in the way U.S. nuclear subs operate in these crowded waters. The Persian Gulf is 989 kilometers long, and the average depth is 50 meters (maximum depth is 90 meters). A U.S. SSN is about 18 meters from the bottom of the sub (the keel) to the top of the sail (the box like structure on top of the sub).

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newjarheadean    Make up our minds   3/22/2009 5:56:03 PM
AHOY, so how deep is that shipping channel they work so hard dredging to keep ships from running a ground?
Would there be any benefit to traveling just a dozen feet below the surface, moving at any speed would reveal wake etc. 
Any aircraft could spot them like a whale no?
 
One article I read stated the sub had suffered the leak. I guess some reporter figured the injuries were on the sub so damage most have been to the sub. So much for giving public the facts, or figuring a nuclear sub would have that much fuel on board.
 
G-day! 
 
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Phaid       3/22/2009 8:17:22 PM
Seriously, the entire concept of operating an SSN in the Persian Gulf is crazy anyway.  It's so shallow that they can easily be detected on infrared from the air, and there is simply no need for them to be there anyway (yeah, because we really need them to keep track of the couple of Iranian boats out there).  This just shows what happens when you put the wrong platform in the wrong environment.
 
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sjdoc    Ships named *Philadelphia*   3/23/2009 12:53:56 AM
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Isn't this the second time a USS Philadelphia has come to grief in the waters of the Islamic world?
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Phaid       3/23/2009 4:37:02 AM
Pictures of the Hartford:
 

 
 
 
 
Obviously some serious structural damage to the conning tower.
 
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newjarheadean       3/23/2009 10:27:06 AM
AHOY, thanks for sharing the photos Phaid.
 
 
G-day!
 
 
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Chris       3/23/2009 4:30:21 PM
Phaid -
 
Thanks for the photos - it is said that every picture is worth a thousand words.  I'll bet those garnered a good deal more than that.
 
It seems that the boats we are using in the shallow water are perhaps not suitable for the job, i.e. maybe we should build some of our boats a lot smaller, or buy a few AIP boats for that sort of work.
 
 
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HERALD1357    The entire sail needs replacement.   3/23/2009 5:32:13 PM
This is an OPPORTUNITY for us to test out some ideas for a future sail and sensor configuration for future Virginias.
 
Herald
 
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maruben    Phaid   3/24/2009 6:27:18 PM
THANKS!
 
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chrism101       3/25/2009 10:24:33 AM
I guess number one thing is newjarheadean the fuel involved is from the New Orleans, not the Sub.
 
Secondly if you all understood how subs transit into and out of that narrow, shallow area, avoiding detection you can understand these collisions. These boats are in such a compressed area, and are moving in the noise and proximity of other vessels to avoid detection, whether coordinated or not coordinated between vessels. These boats are not there for Irans sake but to monitor other interests submerged in that area. Our subs transit in and often lie in wait for other submerged interests to appear, then identify it, and shadow it if it is of our strategic interest.
 
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flyingarty    Publicity   3/25/2009 10:38:19 AM
Publicity wise, this was the last thing the USN needed after running a ship onto a known sandbar a month or so ago. Makes an average guy wonder "what the HeKK is going on with the US Navy,"  Flyingarty.
 
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