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Special Operations: Germans Practice Risk Management
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May 10, 2009: Last April 5th, Somali pirates captured the German cargo ship, the Hansa Stavanger, off the Somali coast. This triggered an unexpected reaction in Germany, and a government decision to send 200 GSG-9 police commandos and support personnel to rescue the ship and its crew (which included five Germans). GSG-9 received U.S. permission to stage their operation from the American amphibious ship USS Boxer. It took several weeks to get everything in position. But then some German and American officials (political, not military), got cold feet and called it all off.

What got the mission going in the first place was the growing German public unhappiness about paying large ransoms. Not just ships captured by Somali pirates, but also in some high profile kidnappings in Africa, Iraq and Afghanistan over the last few years. Noting the American and French use of commandos to deal with the Somali pirates, many German political leaders believed that having the GSG-9 hostage rescue unit do their thing would be a good move. But when U.S. presidential advisors had misgivings, the Germans backed off. Both American and German critics pointed out that the hostages appeared well defended, and that a rescue attempt might lead to high casualties. This was considered more of a problem than paying ransom to pirates.

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Nasty German Idiot       5/10/2009 8:48:18 AM
The Problem was that in the case of Hansa Stavanger,  there are a several hostages held on a maze-like ship by 2 dozen heavily armed Pirates.  Bloodbath unavoidable if you ask me. 
 
The GSG9 is still there waiting for the chance by the Way. 
 
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Herald12345    A good argument for armed self defense.   5/10/2009 9:59:24 AM

The Problem was that in the case of Hansa Stavanger,  there are a several hostages held on a maze-like ship by 2 dozen heavily armed Pirates.  Bloodbath unavoidable if you ask me. 


 

The GSG9 is still there waiting for the chance by the Way. 


It wasn't the Germans who chickened out, they wanted to try.
 
 

Somali pirates keep German ship as elite force is withdrawn

Published: 2 May 09 12:27 CET
Online: http://www.thelocal.de/national/20090502-19019.html

The German government pulled back the elite combat force GSG 9 from storming the pirate-held ship Hansa Stavanger at the last minute, it was reported at the weekend.

http://m1.emea.2mdn.net/viewad/817-grey.gif" alt="Click here to find out more!" border="0" /> Politicians pulled back the force amid fears that an attempt to free the ship would end in a blood bath.

The container ship, captured by pirates off the Somali coast at the beginning of April, complete with 24 crew, including five Germans, was in the sights of a 200-man strike force, according to reports in the weekly magazines Spiegel and Focus.

They had been aboard the US helicopter carrier ship USS Boxer near the Hansa Stavanger and were ready to try to board and seize the 170-metre long ship, when they received orders to turn back.

The German government had asked the Americans for military support of efforts to regain control over the ship, and although the GSG 9 force is being hosted on the US ship, it needed explicit US government permission to launch an operation.

This was not issued, and a crisis meeting in Berlin called off the action, the magazines report.

An attempt to free the Hansa Stavanger three weeks ago ended in failure after the pirates managed to flee to a harbour on the Somali coast.

The GSG 9 force will now return to Germany, the reports say.
DPA/The Local (news@thelocal.de)
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 The BHO interregnum said NO.

 When you have allies like those BHO buffoons............. its time for Germans to look out for themselves.
 
And yes, Rocky, that includes a bazooka team if its practical. http://www.strategypage.com/CuteSoft_Client/CuteEditor/Images/emwink.gif" align="absmiddle" border="0" alt="" />
 
(and it is)
 
 
 
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Dave_in_Pa    terminological inexactitude   5/10/2009 11:21:38 AM
The truly cogent point is that which Herald12345 made, namely that The Anointed One said no.
 
However, I do have a secondary point. " Both American and German critics pointed out that the hostages appeared well defended..." No, they were not well defended, they were well guarded.
 
Some helpful, illustrative examples of differentiation between "defended" and "guarded":
 
Citizens of a Democracy (e.g. the United States) are defended by their Armed Forces. Subjects of a Police State (e.g. Communist Cuba) are guarded by the Cuban Armed Forces and Secret Police. Residents of New York are defended from criminals by the NYPD. Criminals in any American prison are guarded, as part of American government's duty to defend American citizens.
 
Hostages of Somali pirates are guarded by Somali pirates, who are sea-going terrorists.
 
Get the difference?
 
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WarNerd       5/11/2009 3:38:31 AM
How about just summarizing it as:
You defend to keep people out.
You guard to keep people in.
 
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oOOOo    middle grey area   5/11/2009 11:55:13 AM
And how do you accurately describe the middle ground? The areas in the US that are essentially armed camps, the areas where people have bars on all ground floor windows and doors ... and some upper portals as well. The areas where the police don't go alone ever and not at night if they can help it. Camden, NJ. Harlem, NY. Watts, CA. These zones exist in all major US cities and most minor ones.
 
The places where a low intensity conflict is constantly being waged between the police and the persistent criminal element ... with the relatively law-abiding citizens caught between the two sides and trusted by neither.
 
Occupied Territory? The 1st Worlds inner 3rd World? Where the cops defend each other and guard against all others?
 
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