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September 20, 2007: The U.S. Marine Corps is spending $218 million to build a base for its 2,000 Marine Corps Special Operations Command (MARSOC) troops at Camp Lejeune, North Carolina. MARSOC has 2,600 personnel, organized into a headquarters, a two battalion Special Operations Regiment, a Foreign Military Training Unit, and a Marine Special Operations Support Group.

 

The marines basically lost two of their four Force Recon companies (one of them a reserve unit) in order to build MARSOC. Meanwhile, more troops have been added to division level reconnaissance units, to take up some of that slack. The Special Operations companies (with about 120 personnel each) can provide Force Recon capabilities to marine units they are attached to.

 

The two Special Operations Battalions provide a combination of services roughly equal to what the U.S. Army Special Forces and Rangers do, as well as some of the functions of the Force Recon units. Eventually, there are to be nine companies in the two Special Operations Battalion. So far, only four of those companies have been formed.

 

Construction of the new complex will be completed next year.

 

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J       9/20/2007 11:09:47 PM
The Foreign Military Training Unit was renamed the Marine Special Operations Advisor Group.

Wouldn't they be closer in mission to Army Special Forces than the Special Operations Battalions? Doing the FID stuff.

The Rangers are pretty much elite airborne light infantry, yeah? Taking down airfields, providing more punch for the other JSOC units, things of that nature? The MSOBs are going to be filling that sort of role?

 
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GOP       9/21/2007 10:21:36 AM

The Foreign Military Training Unit was renamed the Marine Special Operations Advisor Group.

Wouldn't they be closer in mission to Army Special Forces than the Special Operations Battalions? Doing the FID stuff.

The Rangers are pretty much elite airborne light infantry, yeah? Taking down airfields, providing more punch for the other JSOC units, things of that nature? The MSOBs are going to be filling that sort of role?


Don't take everything SP says to heart (not saying you did man). They aren't going to be much like Rangers from what I have heard. 
 
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Horsesoldier       9/21/2007 1:10:08 PM


 
Wouldn't they be closer in mission to Army Special Forces than the Special Operations Battalions? Doing the FID stuff.
FID is only one of several missions that Special Forces units perform, and not their primary mission in the GWOT (the unavailability of SF units for FID missions being how the Marines first got pointed in the FID direction -- along with the conventional units of the Regular Army and National Guard).  The Marine FID unit cannot cover down on the more combat oriented SF missions.  I'm not entirely clear on if that unit is being set up to do combat FID, for that matter, though I expect it will have that capability in some way, shape, and form.

The Rangers are pretty much elite airborne light infantry, yeah? Taking down airfields, providing more punch for the other JSOC units, things of that nature? The MSOBs are going to be filling that sort of role?
 
A portion of the MSOB's troops appear to be tasked for Ranger type missions and training, which is to say highly trained light infantry, as you note.  Other elements of the MSOB, based on the FR companies, are supposed to be more highly trained and better suited to smaller unit and more unconventional operations.
 
(At least that's my understanding of the plan.)
 
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J       9/21/2007 1:59:06 PM
Thank you, sir. I guess I should preface this by saying I have no special insight and just know what's publicly available.

I think the MSOAGs are developing capabilites beyond just foreign internal defense. At least that's what I took from this interview with MajGen Hejlik

>The command also has 14 MSOAGs, which are training to do direct action and some special reconnaissance.

“And they’re starting to develop that unconventional warfare capability,” Hejlik said.<

, I know it has no impact on mission but am I the only one who thinks they should bring back the "Raider" name? The names they've got remind me of that line in Beetlejuice "This reads like stereo instructions." :)




 
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GOP       9/21/2007 2:07:52 PM
Horse, what do you mean they won't be capable of combat FID? Sorry, just not really sure what you mean.
 
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SCCOMarine       9/26/2007 3:14:25 PM


Wouldn't they be closer in mission to Army Special Forces than the Special Operations Battalions? Doing the FID stuff.

FID is only one of several missions that Special Forces units perform, and not their primary mission in the GWOT (the unavailability of SF units for FID missions being how the Marines first got pointed in the FID direction -- along with the conventional units of the Regular Army and National Guard).  The Marine FID unit cannot cover down on the more combat oriented SF missions.  I'm not entirely clear on if that unit is being set up to do combat FID, for that matter, though I expect it will have that capability in some way, shape, and form.

 

In 2002 Marine MTTs began training Light Infantry Assault BNs and Anti-Terror Commando Units(not to be confused w/Counter-Terrorism Units) in over 20 countries to assist Army SF commitments. 

In 2003 w/ the success of this program it was formalized into the FMTU.  The FMTU focused on those two main FID missions.

In 2006 when the FMTU was absorbed into MARSOC Counter Terrorism, Special Operations, and Unconventional Warfare was added to their Table of Instruction.

To reflect this change in Mission focus the name was changed to Marine Special Operations Advisory Group.

 
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SCCOMarine       9/26/2007 4:13:55 PM

The Rangers are pretty much elite airborne light infantry, yeah? Taking down airfields, providing more punch for the other JSOC units, things of that nature? The MSOBs are going to be filling that sort of role?

SP has the reputation of having some correct facts but no understanding of that info. 
No the MSOC's do not operate like Rangers.  MSOC's are dedicated to Specialized Direct Action, Counter-Terror, and Intelligence gathering Operations.
 
Most of the MSOC's missions are in very small units.  2man Deep Surveillance & Sniping Missions, 3-6man Special Recon, 6-18man Raids/Ambushes or Key Personnel/Prisoner Snatch Missions.  
 
Where SP's info is screwed is in its understanding of the MSOC's capability to run various Plt to Full 120man Company sized DA missions.
 
In more than a few Articles on the MSOC, this is noted.  To relate size of that kind of OP the writers sometimes write, "similar to Rangers".  This is only to denote the size of the OP not the mission type. 
 
SP's confusion is thinking the Company sized Raids the MSOCs would be assigned are the same Company sized raids Rangers would be assigned.  They're not.
 
The MSOC can be assigned Ranger style DA mission in Littoral Areas.  But it would not be the whole MSOC, it would be conducted by the DASR Plt in conjunction w/ one of the MEU(SOC)'s Raid Companies.   Boat Co, Helo Co, Mech Co, or TRAP Plt.  Depending on the mission.
 
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SCCOMarine    MSOC's other Assets   10/1/2007 4:31:23 PM
Don't forget that mission capability doesn't only reside in the DASR.  
 
Within each 120man MSOC is an ANGLICO Det, a HET (HumInt Expoitation Team), and a RRT (Radio Reconnaissance Team).  All capable of running operations independently or in-conjunction with the DASR or other SOF.  
 
Also the All-Source Fusion Intel Team can process & disseminate Intel as well & as fast as any Tier I intel analysis team, this was noted in the Det-1 Eval.  In the Det-1 Eval in '04; the Dets Fusion team, while only comprising of 3% of SOF Intel personnel in Iraq, provided 29% of all Intel used by CJSOTF-Iraq during the time of their Deployment.
 
Also as noted by the Navy SEAL who wrote the Eval on Det-1, the Support Marines have a Dual role as admin/logistical support and Augmentee's to the DASR Plt when needed, so they rec'v the same training.  They also take on duties as QRF and Trailer assets on DA raids.
 
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