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Yet Still More Stryker

October 24, 2009: The U.S. Army has ordered another 352 Stryker wheeled armored vehicles, at an average cost of about a million dollars each. Another half million dollars is spent on equipping the vehicles for combat. The army has already received 2,988 Strykers. Production began in 2000, and four years later, the first Stryker brigade entered combat in Iraq. There are currently seven Stryker brigades (six active duty, one National Guard), with another active duty brigade being formed. Soldiers who have used Stryker in combat were enthusiastic about it.

Initially, the Stryker was controversial, mainly because they were new, and light armored vehicles that moved via wheels, rather than tracks. The Strykers also caught a lot of criticism for the usual problems a new combat vehicle encounters. The Stryker brigade equipment exchanged a lot of armor protection and heavy weapons for more electronics and communications equipment. The brigade had an initial version of the battlefield Internet that the army was slowly putting together.

The initial 2004 combat actions in and around Mosul were not as intense as they were down around Baghdad. But there were heavily armed Baath party diehards and al Qaeda terrorists up in Mosul. Thus the Stryker brigade saw a lot of action, some of it quite heavy. It was thought that the Strykers would be very vulnerable to RPGs, but only two vehicles were lost that way in the first year. In some actions, platoons (four vehicles) of Strykers had dozens of RPGs fired at them with no serious damage. The protection on the Strykers has been up to the job, but the troops, and hostile Iraqis, have also noted that the Strykers were faster, and quieter, than other armored vehicles. This turns out to be a battlefield advantage, something American troops had forgotten about. The last large scale use of wheeled armored vehicles by American troops was in World War II. Some of the details of how those vehicles could be used had apparently been forgotten. A wheeled armored vehicle can more quickly move out of an ambush, or any other kind of trouble. Wheeled armored vehicles also make a lot less noise. The track laying system is inherently noisy, wheels are not. Strykers can sneak up on the bad guys, an M-2 Bradley or M-1 tank cannot.

Off the road, the Stryker is not as mobile as a tracked vehicle. Canadian troops in Afghanistan recently got reminded of this, as their LAVs (a cousin of the Stryker, also used by the U.S. Marines) often got stuck when they left the few roads found over there. The Canadians brought in some tracked armored vehicles to deal with the worst off-road situations. When Stryker showed up in Afghanistan during the Summer of 2009, if found the Canadian experience to be very accurate. Off road, the Stryker had problems with mobility, and increased wear and tear. But for patrolling the main roads, the Stryker was excellent.

The troops in the Stryker Brigades were trained to the same high standards of all American infantry, which means soldiers capable of operating at high speed. The Stryker brigades new communications system allowed for speedier operations. Whether it's getting out of an ambush, or getting into position for a raid or attack, the extra speed leaves the enemy at a disadvantage. But this depends on using roads, or hard, even ground for cross country operations.

 

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ambush       10/24/2009 1:40:35 PM
Just what the US military needs, 7 road bound combat Brigades while facing an enemy not bound to roads in country with few roads.
 
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Dave_in_Pa       10/24/2009 2:28:44 PM
"Whether it's getting out of an ambush, or getting into position for a raid or attack, the extra speed leaves the enemy at a disadvantage. But this depends on using roads, or hard, even ground for cross country operations."
 
So, these Strykers are most effective in combat environments with reasonably good roads and/or flat terrain.  Without these, there's a big problem. Moreover, even in such a preferable combat environment, if they have to fight after heavy rains or spring melt...
 
But, hey, our coach can always make the "T" sign for a time-out, while we substitute the varsity squad, M-1s and Bradleys, to save the day.  Let's hope our enemies -whoever,wherever, whenever- are good sports about this.
 
(Let's see...just thinking... 2,988 + 352 = 3,340 Strykers.  $1 mil each + .5 mil combat prep each = total of $5,010,000,000.  Now, $5 billion would have bought how many M-1s and Bradleys???)
 

 
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ambush       10/24/2009 4:00:55 PM

"Whether it's getting out of an ambush, or getting into position for a raid or attack, the extra speed leaves the enemy at a disadvantage. But this depends on using roads, or hard, even ground for cross country operations."

 

So, these Strykers are most effective in combat environments with
reasonably good roads and/or flat terrain.  Without these, there's a
big problem. Moreover, even in such a preferable combat environment, if
they have to fight after heavy rains or spring melt...


 

But, hey, our coach can always make the "T" sign for a time-out, while we substitute the varsity squad, M-1s and Bradleys, to save the day.  Let's hope our enemies -whoever,wherever, whenever- are good sports about this.

 

(Let's see...just thinking... 2,988 + 352 = 3,340 Strykers.  $1 mil each + .5 mil combat prep each = total of $5,010,000,000.  Now, $5 billion would have bought how many M-1s and Bradleys???)


 




 To be fair the lack of roads and other infrastructure make the logistics supporting a large number of M-1s and Bradleys difficult at best however that $5 billion would buy a few more much needed Helicopters, UAVs, light infantry etc.
 
We certainly do not need to be converting any more heavy assets over to  Stryker Brigades
 
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Nasty German Idiot       10/24/2009 11:10:47 PM
Doesnt the US Army need a new, 30-50 ton badass Bradley replacement with a dozen battle station to set something against certain "competitors" on the field ?   Wouldnt that be a great task for the US Armor-building Industry ?
 
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ambush       10/25/2009 8:48:05 PM

Doesnt the US Army need a new, 30-50 ton badass Bradley replacement with a dozen battle station to set something against certain "competitors" on the field ?   Wouldnt that be a great task for the US Armor-building Industry ?

By competitors do you mean something like this?

 
German Puma
 
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Vulture       10/26/2009 12:10:46 PM
So what I am hearing is we are getting 500 strykers (rotation of forces) to patrol the sild road from the ports in Pakistan all the way to Kabul.   Right?
 
And BTW, just how many cargo containers per day are getting to the Capital for the Coalition forces?

 
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ker       10/26/2009 5:24:25 PM
Dave_in_Pa
"So, these Strykers are most effective in combat environments with reasonably good roads and/or flat terrain.  Without these, there's a big problem. Moreover, even in such a preferable combat environment, if they have to fight after heavy rains or spring melt...
But, hey, our coach can always make the "T" sign for a time-out, while we substitute the varsity squad, M-1s and Bradleys, to save the day.  Let's hope our enemies -whoever,wherever, whenever- are good sports about this."
 
It works both ways.  The enemy won't honor the "T" sign wile waiting for the heavys to get delivered on ships or to account for their slower road speed or to wait for fuel stocks to be built up in the AO. 
 
 
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ambush       10/26/2009 10:04:40 PM


 

(Let's see...just thinking... 2,988 + 352 = 3,340 Strykers.  $1 mil each + .5 mil combat prep each = total of $5,010,000,000.  Now, $5 billion would have bought how many M-1s and Bradleys???)


 




Or alternatively, and would be of more use:
 
The cost of a new CH-47F is $32 million. These costs are reduced to $8.5 million per aircraft by remanufacturing CH-47Ds to CH-47F.
 
 
 


 
 
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Vulture       10/27/2009 1:33:07 PM
Just talked yesterday to a young sergeant from a stryker company (he liked Fat Tire beer a lot).   He said every vehicle has been damaged  thanks to wadis.   They have lost external armor, they have lost ramp hydraulics, they have had damage that took them out of commission.     He believes that  that the units will have to be totally refurbished (base depot maintenance?) IF they make it to the end of his company's tour. 
 
so whatever the price tag , add on the recycle charge ;)

 
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ArtyEngineer    Vulture   10/31/2009 12:48:59 AM

Just talked yesterday to a young sergeant from a stryker company (he liked Fat Tire beer a lot).   He said every vehicle has been damaged  thanks to wadis.   They have lost external armor, they have lost ramp hydraulics, they have had damage that took them out of commission.     He believes that  that the units will have to be totally refurbished (base depot maintenance?) IF they make it to the end of his company's tour. 

 

so whatever the price tag , add on the recycle charge ;)





I heard the exact same thing a few days ago.  Pretty much all vehicles are going back to teh manufacturer for a total "reset".  Now this isnt unique to teh Strykers however.  A lot of the recently fielded equipment which has gone straight into service is having to be sent back to the original manufacturer for reset after deployment due to teh fact that the Depots have absolutely no idea how to work on most of the new equipment!!!!
 
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