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Take The Slow Modem To The Battlefield

June 23, 2009: The U.S. Army has purchased another 58,000 SINCGARS radios (model RT-1523). Since its introduction in 25 years ago, the U.S. armed forces have purchased nearly half a million SINCGARS radios. The RT-1423 weighs 7.7 pounds and is 3.4x5.3x10.2 inches (8.7x13.4x25.8cm) in size. The current model can set up a battlefield Internet, so that data (at 9600 bps), as well as voice can be used. The radio also has a GPS installed. Range is up to 35 kilometers, and the radio averages 5,000 hours of use before a breakdown.

In the next few years, the new JTRS (Joint Tactical Radio System) radios will be introduced. These are compatible with SINCGARS, and will eventually replace it. JTRS is more flexible, and provides higher speed Internet capabilities. Currently, each RT-1523 costs about $6,300, and JTRS will cost more than three times as much.

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Observations    JTRS - Does not cost the same   6/23/2009 7:28:20 AM
As stated the JTRS radios will offer additional capabilities, including higher data rates.  Two important differences remain, a JTRS radio providing the higher data rate will have less than 10 km range, requiring multiple relays to cover a Bn area.
A JTRS radio will cost closer to 20,000 for a Manpack and upwards of 40,000 for a Mounted radio.  Nothing is free.
 
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ArtyEngineer       6/23/2009 1:47:03 PM

As stated the JTRS radios will offer additional capabilities, including higher data rates.  Two important differences remain, a JTRS radio providing the higher data rate will have less than 10 km range, requiring multiple relays to cover a Bn area.

A JTRS radio will cost closer to 20,000 for a Manpack and upwards of 40,000 for a Mounted radio.  Nothing is free.



I was not aware that higer data rates equalled less range!!!!!  Can you confirm that that is indeed the case, perhaps with a source?  Remeber also that these radios are not going to be used "Standalone" so to speak, vehicle mounted radios are going to have a "Power Amp" and ones used in the various CP's are going to havea PA nad probably be hooked into the good ol OE-254 antenna :
 
This being said I dont think your statement regarding the need for more Retran Stations to cover a Battalions AO is valid.  But  im not a commo guy so what do I know ;)
 
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gf0012-aust    Arty   6/23/2009 4:42:08 PM
we had a briefing from the US JTRS prog manager in Oct last year at the Brisbane Conf.  I might have some unclass stuff which I can send you.  Will check in a few days when my workload backs off.

 
 
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Mike From Brielle       6/23/2009 5:14:35 PM

Communications in general and the internet in particular is organized around a seven layer model that is composed of discrete steps which are physical, data-link, network, transport, session, presentation, and application.

 

Each step levies a requirement on the step before it in order to perform the transfer of information over the specified environment that the overall link must perform within.  Links that are common with the use of stocastic (connectionless/ probabalistic/ i.e. squishy time) IP driven system are very permissive in that they are usually wire bound with a very high signal to noise ratio (the wireless channels (things like 802.11) are specified to have very high signal to noise ratios or they won't work).  A signal to noise ratio is the amount of useful signal you have above/ against the universal white noise and/ or environmentally generated background RF radiation (accidental or deliberate).  In a shielded cable such as what most IP runs over it is very high; for most free space tactical military applications it is very low. Somewhat counter intuitively it is much easier to transmit and receive for sea or air systems where most of the time you have line of sight, than for land systems.

 

For free space trying to transfer information might be compared to delivering a package.  Within the package is the information you want to transfer.  The package itself is a 3 dimensional box the dimensions of which are time, frequency/ BW, and power.  The problem is thou the more complicated you make the package the bigger the box has got to be to carry the package and the more insulation and layers of wrapping paper you need to insure the safe delivery of the contents.  This goes double when you're trying to ship material from far away.  However you want to limit the ability of the enemy to detect and / or intercept your signal.

 

Each time you try to increase the complexity of a step within the model for an individual link an exponential amount of overhead is generated which means the bigger box you need which won't always be available or convenient to carry around on the battlefield. 

 

Furthermore as you approach closer to the battlefield the routes to and from active users will fade or change associations (what post office the package needs to go to in order to be delivered to its recipient).  What this means is that a user at the edge of the battlefield may send a request up the chain for some piece of data that he requires to complete his mission but the reverse path may not be available when it comes time to send the requested information back down to the entity that originally requested the information.  Then they'll have to have the message just die or start looking for a way to get back to the requester.  The former is bad but the later could be catastrophic because it could gum up ALL of the channels.

 

Remember the enemy gets his vote also, and he'll be attacking our spectrum like we're attacking his.  Plus the natural terrain/ environment, particularly for ground forces, will be negatively effecting the signal.  There is a physical law called Shannon's Law and basically it states that the more data you want to pass over a given link the more power and/or bandwidth you need (the bigger the box you need).  All these things have to taken into account when designing one of these links.


I wonder how compatible they got JTRS to be with SINCGARS while Frequency Hopping?  SINCGARS I've been told is a surprisingly tricky waveform which may be why it is so hard. 
 
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charlie1    test   6/23/2009 5:27:55 PM
 
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charlie1    where did you get your info?   6/23/2009 5:29:32 PM
Your data is not correct.  Go back to your source and ask for back-up.  Nothing you stated is even close to correct
 
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Mike From Brielle       6/23/2009 6:04:01 PM
One more thing the package that contains your message gets smaller as the signal propagates farther and farther away from the source so in effect the box is getting smaller the farther it goes.  This would explain why the high data rate waveform has less range.  So you have to account for that by computing the rate of decrease in the power of the signal by making sure the box will be big enough to contain the data you need to be transfered by the time it gets to the location where you THINK the desired reciever is located.  You could make the box bigger by expanding the bandwidth / frequency used but in a ground environment this will be effected to a greater extent by physical obstructions 
 
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Mike From Brielle       6/24/2009 10:03:57 AM
If you have access to the below link there is an article which will supply some insight into what the future relationship will be between the various players in the tactical radio arena.  I have also supplied one excerpt from the article that is particularly germane to this discussion primarily because it gives substantially different costing figures.  I have seen numbers all over the place on JTRS, all have an element of sticker shock to a greater or lesser degree.  IMHO this is because some of the parts for the JTRS radio will be very expensive way into the future and the extended development period.  I have heard rumors to the effect that the rifleman radio is supposed to be substantially more affordable.

If you read my posts above you might realize that I don't necessarily agree with the theme of some of the assertions within this article.

Pentagon Delivers Army Tactical Radio Fielding Plan To Congress
https://blog.kc.us.army.mil/index.php/pentagon-delivers-army-tactical-ra

dio-fielding-plan-to-congress/

 

April 29th, 2009 posted by joan.elmorenutting

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The report projects the unit cost for a GMR at $148,000 in 2002 dollars.

At full-rate production, annual costs would run $500 million to $600 million annually.

 

The report projects the unit cost for an HMS manpack at $40,700 in 2004 dollars. At full-rate production, annual costs for the entire HMS product line would be $300 million to $500 million.

 

Under the current fielding strategy, maneuver BCTs retain about 700 of the SINCGARS radio systems to support users requiring a voice-only capability.

 

Current Army plans would cut the number of SINCGARS radios roughly 16 percent - from about 581,000 to 488,000 - by FY-28.

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No additional procurement of LMRs or MBITRs is projected beyond FY-10, but they will stay in the force until units have transitioned to the Rifleman Radio and Ground Soldier Ensemble systems.

 
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