Yimmy
6/19/2007 1:55:21 PM
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Herald, read "simulated". Why do you think it detonated.
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french stratege
6/19/2007 3:17:16 PM
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Until know Aster had beaten Standard in any country which have done a competition and have money to afford the costly missile (twice the price of a standard) like UK and Singapore., two demanding nations which buy also US when they think it is the best.
In UK, there was a debate because choosing Aster means ship could not fire the US Tomahawk from Aster Sylver VLS so it would deprive ships from a nice capability.
Still ASTER is so superior that RN still has chosen Aster even at the expense of Tomahawk capability.
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Bluewings12
6/19/2007 4:21:35 PM
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Since Herald is trying to spread his BS , it seems right to "Give back to ASTER what belongs to ASTER" .
Please , do read the following , thank you :
""Just a few days before the opening of Le Bourget Air Show, an Aster 30
missile designed and produced by Aerospatiale Matra Missiles and Alenia
Marconi Systems successfully completed one of the most difficult
firings ever attempted in Europe. The firing scenario involved two
targets equipped with powerful jamming suites, flying in a formation
toward the Aster battery. A French Ministry of Defence press release
declared : «The missile was fired with the two targets approaching at
15 kilometers, headed to the designed target and destroyed it, without
been disturbed by the jamming sources.» A direct impact (Hit-to-Kill)
was achieved at the first jamming aircraft.
The interception performed on the last 31 May is the tenth achieved by the Aster
15 Naval and Aster 30 Land antimissile missiles, six of which involved a direct
hit and the other four had a miss-distance shorter than 80 cm in relation to the
target, by and large better than the required specifications, which vary from
2 to 8 meters, depending on the firing scenarios. "The Aster antimissile
missile is the only one to have demonstrated such a hit-to-kill capability. The
PIF-PAF system with vectored thrust applied to the missile's center of gravity,
invented by Aerospatiale, is a unique technology worldwide which reduces the miss-distance
by half. It is the sole method which really guarantees a very high hit-to-kill
probability", says Alain Charmeau, Aerospatiale Matra Missiles' ground-to-air
programs Manager. The Hit-to-Kill capability is necessary for countering the tactical
ballistic missiles (TBMs) in particular, and to destroy structurally their warhead
before it reaches the ground, most of all if the said warhead is a massive destruction
weapon. "It is the most difficult firing ever completed by an air defence
and antimissile missile in Europe. I am not sure whether such a scenario has already
been attempted in the United States. We continue to demonstrate that with Aster
we have the most efficient air defence tool currently available worldwide .""
Well , that is very clear .
When Mr. A. Charmeau talks about countering tactical ballistic missile , he 's reffering to the SAMP/T Blk 1 .
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The SAMP/T system «Block 1» definition, introducing an Anti-Tactical
Ballistical Missile (ATBM) capability, has been officially released on April 2000,
to counter SCUD or Super-SCUD type TBMs with a 500 to 600 kilometers range , cruise missiles,
ground-to-air missiles, antiradar missiles as well as combat, surveillance and
jamming aircraft.)
Now , we all have 2 choices : or we believe Herald or we believe all the Nations who tried successfully ASTER .
Cheers .
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Bluewings12
6/19/2007 4:56:32 PM
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gf0012 :
""F, have you got the original link for this?""
Yes , but I do not trust it anymore .
From the official websites , the 150 milliseconds firing rate is true for the 1st
missile . Then , it seems like it is from 5 to 8 missiles per 10
seconds . 3 Ships (CdG + 2 Frigates) can launch and steer 48 ASTER in
20 seconds .
Regarding the ASTER video provided by Herald , it is a real target
(15feet above the waves) and it gets destroyed . What dives in the
water the remaining of ASTER and debris . Slowdown the video with a
video editing software , you 'll see .
Here is another one :
h*tp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TahVQ4bij-A&mode=related&search=
Cheers .
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gf0012-aust
6/19/2007 7:33:17 PM
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gf0012 :
""F, have you got the original link for this?""
Yes , but I do not trust it anymore .
From the official websites , the 150 milliseconds firing rate is true for the 1st missile . Then , it seems like it is from 5 to 8 missiles per 10 seconds . 3 Ships (CdG + 2 Frigates) can launch and steer 48 ASTER in 20 seconds .
Thanks for that. I can understand a fast primary eject, but was wondering how the follow ups would cleanly get away (follow on backwash etc...). I guess it would depend on the ripple order (ie firing order of AUC's)
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Bluewings12
6/19/2007 8:31:02 PM
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gf0012 :
""I guess it would depend on the ripple order (ie firing order of AUC's)""
Since the SYLVER Vertical launching System (SVLS) incorporates a shared
flame and gas exhaust system , it seems right to delay each missile by
1.3 to 1.6s for safety .
Cheers .
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gf0012-aust
6/19/2007 8:54:43 PM
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Since the SYLVER Vertical launching System (SVLS) incorporates a shared flame and gas exhaust system , it seems right to delay each missile by 1.3 to 1.6s for safety .
its the individual missile plume/backwash that could be the follow on launch irritant.... ;) I wonder what the zero to nn height separation stats are.....
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Bluewings12
6/19/2007 9:18:11 PM
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As I said many times over , MICA and ASTER cannot be jammed . That joker of Herald is wrapped in the US flag but it doesn 't change a thing .
France is known to have the best jamming and anti-jam systems Worldwide
. We did jam 2 AMRAAMs over Kosovo when a US F16 fired them at a M2000
by mistake (?) . Another incompetant and trigger happy US personal btw .
No-one ever jammed a French missile , EVER .
Prove me wrong and I eat my hat .
Our missile technology is still the benchmark , whatever people says . MBDA 's stuff is top notch .
It makes me angry when people are trying to prove otherwise ! For God
sake , do you know all the stuff MBDA is bringing forwards ?
Look at this :
h*tp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7To4ArtIoA
All these missiles are working great and have been chosen by many Countries to defend and attack enemies .
France and the UK are not trailing behind the US , they are ~in most cases~ leading .
But there isn 't any problem , we are Allies . As long as our great missiles are hitting our enemies , it 's fine by me .
An enemy fighter/Cruise missile/ballistic missile shotdown by a US/French/British/etc missile is a good thing !
Cheers .
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Bluewings12
6/19/2007 9:23:05 PM
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gf0012 :
""I wonder what the zero to nn height separation stats are.....""
No idea , I 'm crap with Maths :-(
Cheers .
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Herald1234
BW craop with the maths? Fortunately I'm not crap with the maths. 6/20/2007 1:54:39 AM
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Minimum separation observabnle is 400-450 meters intervals between ASTER missiles judging by the plume length compared to missile body length at launch and roil. That is about a half of a second MINIMUM .
BW's protestations tio the contrary, simply augmenting the returm signal to the MICA and also the ASTER radar receiver fools the misdsile radar and deceives the simple GCU into a premature endgame misdsile shove maneuver.
You see those missiles will fall into the hands of America's enemiers like Exocet did.
Defeating them is something that the Russians already have probably figured out.
Herald
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