rayott34
4/21/2007 2:08:42 AM
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"alcoholic beverages
" Yehaaaa!!!!!
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french stratege
4/21/2007 12:51:24 PM
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Men need also fuel.
BTW it is only few cubic meters of wine, beer and cognac.Good for moral.
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french stratege
5/7/2007 10:35:45 PM
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We need a carrier during the overhaul of CDG.
I was thinking as Sarko is elected, that we could probably rent USS America, or Constellaton or even Kittty Hawk for a period of few years and probably it would only cost few hundred of million $ including a partial overhaul at least to equip it with some french communication systems.
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Herald1234
5/7/2007 10:44:52 PM
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We need a carrier during the overhaul of CDG.
I was thinking as Sarko is elected, that we could probably rent USS America, or Constellaton or even Kittty Hawk for a period of few years and probably it would only cost few hundred of million $ including a partial overhaul at least to equip it with some french communication systems.
You know how the Indians still have heartburn with the US over our Pakistani tilt during the 1971 War?
Just as New Delhi has its Brahmans, so does Washington.
And they have a very bad case of heartburn.
To quote Marion Michael Morrison; "That will be the day, Pilgrim!"
Herald
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french stratege
6/5/2007 10:37:06 AM
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As I mentionned elswhere, Cdg would be unavailable from October 2007 to April 2008 when the two reactors will have been reloaded and restart. After it will go for trial in July and will be declared operational in november 2008.In case of emergency, we could expect that it could be available as soon of May.
Hangar can accomodate 23 planes and a helo.
In war time we could expect that CdG could handle up to 50 planes and its 3/4 E2C.It why it make sense to order 60 Rafale as our navy did whatever we have one carrier or two.
I hope yet that we will have additional Rafale M to come back to the intially 102 scheduled for 2 carriers (and 6 E2F) even it should imply to cancell some FAF orders.
Here some nice photo which show 28 planes of the bridge.
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Phaid
6/9/2007 10:07:34 AM
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Renting one of the US conventional carriers would make no sense, the MN
doesn't have enough personnel trained on that type of vessel. By
the time you got it operational, CdG would be back in service.
The better solution would simply be to integrate the CdG's Flotilles
into US airwings.. The Rafale and SEM flotilles could each
replace a F/A-18A+ or C squadron, and the E-2 crews could just train
with an American E-2 unit. The only place we really disagree is
Iraq, so you'd want to either operate in 2nd Fleet, WestPac, or with
CVs participating in OEF.
It would be a good operational fit and a good learning experience for
all concerned, and the cost would be small in proportion to the
operational capability retained.
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french stratege
6/9/2007 11:58:52 AM
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You are right, but we could have delay the overhaul maintenance of CdG to 2009 until a french trained crew become operational on a US reserve carrier.
There is already an exchange program where some US pilots are on CdG and french one on US carriers.
It would be a solution for training our pilots but not for an independant french operation.
However a solution of renting a US carrier as a second carrier would make sense to get two carriers until our second one is completed.
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Herald1234
6/11/2007 5:08:24 AM
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You are right, but we could have delay the overhaul maintenance of CdG to 2009 until a french trained crew become operational on a US reserve carrier.
There is already an exchange program where some US pilots are on CdG and french one on US carriers.
It would be a solution for training our pilots but not for an independant french operation.
However a solution of renting a US carrier as a second carrier would make sense to get two carriers until our second one is completed.
It would also teach your DCN naval engineers what a PROPERLY designed porte avions looks like and how it should function?
Herald
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french stratege
6/11/2007 5:21:06 AM
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Frankly , Herald, our engineers know how to make an aircraft carrier and we have a better experience than USA in managing a small aircraft carrier.It is the tenth carrier we got in our navy history.
The former problem of Cdg do not come from engineers but of financial constraints (delays, constraints of use Brest shipyard for political reasons while the construction dock was not long enough, and the use of small nuke reactors from SSBN with minimal moey to adapt them).Cdg R&D cost was limited to one billion ? only.
If you have problem with CDG mention exactly what you think is bad instead doing such a comment !
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Herald1234
6/11/2007 6:12:35 AM
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Frankly , Herald, our engineers know how to make an aircraft carrier and we have a better experience than USA in managing a small aircraft carrier.It is the tenth carrier we got in our navy history.
The former problem of Cdg do not come from engineers but of financial constraints (delays, constraints of use Brest shipyard for political reasons while the construction dock was not long enough, and the use of small nuke reactors from SSBN with minimal moey to adapt them).Cdg R&D cost was limited to one billion ? only.
If you have problem with CDG mention exactly what you think is bad instead doing such a comment !
I have all threough through SP in considerable detail. I don't like repeating myself forty times.
Summary, elevators positioned wrong, island too far forward. powerplant severely compromised, flight deck geometry for plane handling and movement wrong.
Only two French port avions were properly designed. and both were so designed with American help, Foch and Clemenceau, both were based on the modified Essex class.
Now then I've answered your question and corrected you again on your inaccuracies, FS. Bearn commaanded by a French captain who mismanaged his Normandie class bungled port avion conversion so badly that it suffered an easily preventable steering casualty that resulted in the unnecessary ramming of a US transport in a WW II convoy is an example of French naval engineering prior to the Fochs, just as the CdG shows the results after the Fochs.
Herald
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