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The Incredible Disappearing Walther-P1s

October 14, 2009: Afghan gun merchants can't get enough German pistols for their customers. The most popular model is the Walther-P1, a compact 9mm weapon once widely used by German officers and  police (a Walther was the favorite of fictional superspy James Bond). Fortunately for the Afghans, Germany donated 10,000 used Walther-P1s to the Afghan police three years ago. Since then, many of these have been "lost" or "stolen" by the cops, and ended up in local gun shops.

 NATO is learning that giving Afghan police and troops high quality weapons backfires. That's because there is, and always has been, an active marker for weapons in Afghanistan. Although most Afghan men cannot afford it, most would like to own a weapon. And those who can afford it, want the best weapons available. This has led to many Western rifles and pistols, donated to the Afghan security forces,  disappearing into the local arms trade.

One solution for this is to just equip the Afghans with older Russian weapons (AK-47s and Makarov pistols). There are a lot of second hand Makarov pistols coming on to the market, as the Russian police upgrade to more modern models. The 9mm Makarov was introduced in 1951, to replace the 1930s era TT-33 pistol. This beast weighed 854 grams (30 ounces) and fired a puny 7.62mm bullet from an 8 round magazine. The (then) new Makarov weighed 730 grams (26 ounces) and fired a 9mm bullet from an 8 round magazine.

The Walther-P1 is basically the German Army World War II P38, which was adopted by the post-World War II German army, and some local police departments there. It's an 800 gram (28 ounce) weapon firing 9mm bullets from an 8 round magazine.

There are actually a lot of used police pistols available in the West, as newer and more effective models have been introduced in the last decade or so. But German weapons have always been much admired in Afghanistan, and the Walther-P1 is considered the gold standard when it comes to side arms.

 

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Dave_in_Pa       10/14/2009 12:18:59 PM
And to think that some years ago, I had an opportunity to buy a well-used but excellent condition Walther P-1 for only $150 in a gunshop in California, and I didn't. :-(
 
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YelliChink       10/14/2009 1:00:03 PM
They should have bought tonnes of Chinese Type 54 POS pistol and distribute them to Afghanistan units.
 
What's next? H&K P7M13 goes to Afghanistan?
 
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yojimbo    Not a Bond weapon   10/14/2009 10:01:19 PM
Bond used a Walther but favored a PPK model. The P1 really is too large for concealed carry.
 
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kirby1       10/15/2009 5:13:46 PM
The Makarov is not a 'nine millimeter' in the conventional sense. The 9x18 Makarov cartridge is more comparable to the 380ACP. The TT-33s' small bullet had alot of velocity on its side, and was a neckdowned cartridge, similiar in appearance to a 357 Sig cartridge, but not as good.
 
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albywan       10/15/2009 10:35:37 PM

Bond used a Walther but favored a PPK model. The P1 really is too large for concealed carry.




the "old" Bond used the PP or PPK, the newer Bonds have used the P99
 
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Nasty German Idiot       10/16/2009 11:30:59 AM
At least it were only P1.  They could at best throw them at armored Nato convoys, after firering 8 warning shots ...   (distributed in Afghansitan by the US Army by the Way - dont ask me why )
 

German military pistols are being sold on the black market in Afghanistan and Pakistan. The weapons were sent in 2006 and were intended for local police and army personnel.

Arms dealers in the region told German public radio that hundreds of German weapons were for sale carrying a price tag of over 680 euros a piece ($1,000).

In 2006, the German Defense Ministry shipped 10,000 old Walther-P1 pistols to the Afghan Interior Ministry to equip Afghan police and army. However, both the German government and the responsible US-led security team in Afghanistan reportedly failed to properly monitor the guns' whereabouts.

The US unit said that it only had detailed records of 4,563 pistols out of a total 10,000.

Current and former Afghan soldiers and police officers are said to be among those illegally selling and trafficking the pistols, some of which have ended up in Pakistan's north-west border provinces and neighboring tribal areas.

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The team of NDR radio reporters who discovered the black market guns said it's not clear exactly how they ended up there.

"Apparently, most of these pistols haven't been stolen, but were simply taken home and sold by former police officers and soldiers after they'd left the service," said Christoph Heinzle, who headed the NDR team. "But corruption and theft cannot be ruled out because neither the Afghan authorities nor the US and German armed forces carry out effective controls to prevent [theft]."

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