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Britain Halts Weapons Exports To Israel

July 15, 2009: Britain has suspended five export licenses relating to spare parts for the Italian 76mm guns used by Israeli Saar class missile boats. The export ban was imposed because during the fighting between Hamas and Israel earlier this year, Britain believes some Saar class ships fired their 76mm guns at Hamas targets, and endangered nearby civilians. The British believe this allows them to invoke an embargo on the parts because of British arms export rules that state that any part used in a weapon; "where there is a clear risk that arms will be used for external aggression or internal repression" cannot be shipped. Oddly enough, none of the 177 other weapons related export licenses were cancelled. All this appears to be an effort, by the British government, to appease anti-Israel members of parliament (who want to impose even more severe punishment on Israel for "war crimes" against Palestinians).

 

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Newton       7/15/2009 3:52:49 PM
A predictable move from Englandistan.
 
These continued efforts to appease their large Muslim population must be making Chamberlain's ghost very happy.
 
You can expect more of this in the future, and more Brits deperately trying to emigrate to Australia, Canada, and the US of course.
 
Defenceless, spineless, and toothless, the perfect trifecta.
 
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Scoobydo       7/16/2009 7:08:21 AM

It isn't a case of trying to placate British Muslims.

 

It is a case of not exporting weapons to a state which is "acting like Nazis in Gaza" to quote the British MP and ex Home Secretary Gerald Kaufman.

 

There is a high level of anti-Israel feeling in the UK. Being a largely Jewish state doesn't give Israel a get out of jail free card in Britain.

 

British people didn't much like what Saddam was doing in Iraq but no one accused the UK of trying to placate Jews or of being anti-Muslim.

 

It isn't about religion. It is about what states do.

 

Kaufman is Jewish by the way which will hopefully prevent the usual American knee jerk accusations of anti-Semitism.

 
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Scoobydo       7/16/2009 7:13:46 AM

To quote Kaufman's speech made in the House of Commons in April 2002

 

"It is time to remind Sharon that the star of David belongs to all Jews, not to his repulsive Government. His actions are staining the star of David with blood. The Jewish people, whose gifts to civilised discourse include Einstein and Epstein, Mendelssohn and Mahler, Sergei Eisenstein and Billy Wilder, are now symbolised throughout the world by the blustering bully Ariel Sharon, a war criminal implicated in the murder of Palestinians at the Sabra and Shatila camps and now involved in killing Palestinians once again"

 

 

and in January 2009, during a speech to the House of Commons he stated:

 

"The present Israeli government ruthlessly and cynically exploits the continuing guilt from Gentiles over the slaughter of Jews in the Holocaust as justification for their murder of Palestinians."

 
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Dave_in_Pa       7/16/2009 9:17:51 AM
Scoobydo, forgetting about the years of Hamas firing rockets and artillery shells from Gaza into southern Israel, aren't we?  Is Israel supposed to do nothing about that? 
 
Answer Yes or No:  Does Israel have the right of self-defense from the Hamas attacks from Gaza? 
 
If you concede that Israel, like any other sovereign state, has the right of self-defense, the duty to protect it's citizens, tell us how Israel could conduct a campaign against Hamas in Gaza, when Hamas hides behind civilians as their defensive strategy.
 
 
 
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prometheus    Newton reply   7/16/2009 9:53:28 AM
Large muslim population? What, all 3.3% of them? There are actually more polish immigrants in the UK than there are card carrying muslims.
 
As for the export ban, it was related to parts that could be proved had been used against civilian Palestinian targets, and if it doesn't change much in the grand scheme of things, it at least shows that the british government will not give the Israelis carte blanche on how they approach these situations.
 
 
 
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Scoobydo       7/16/2009 11:16:58 AM
"If you concede that Israel, like any other sovereign state, has the right of self-defense, the duty to protect it's citizens, tell us how Israel could conduct a campaign against Hamas in Gaza, when Hamas hides behind civilians as their defensive strategy"
 
So when Jews blew up the King David Hotel, following your logic, the British should have started bombing Jewish civilian areas?
 
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swhitebull       7/16/2009 3:14:52 PM

"If you concede that
Israel, like any other sovereign state, has the right of self-defense,
the duty to protect it's citizens, tell us how Israel could conduct a
campaign against Hamas in Gaza, when Hamas hides behind civilians as
their defensive strategy"

 

So when Jews blew up the King David Hotel, following your logic, the British should have started bombing Jewish civilian areas?



Uh, I was under the assumption that "the Jews" - ie  Irgun and Stern Gang underground - actually gave the Brits ample fair warning, that went unheeded, prior to the attack.
 
I just LOVE the The King David HOTEL moral equivalence argument - seen it so many times on these boards over the years to put "the Jews" and their actions in 1948 on the same level as the Hamas and PALI terrorists actions throughout the 70s 80s 90s and 2000s.  Cant wait to hear about Deir Yassin, Jenin and Mohammad Dura next - takes your pick.
 
 
swhitebull
 
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dogberry       7/16/2009 3:20:49 PM

I assume Hamburg and Dresden are the definitive statement of the British government with regard to bombing civilians.

 

Kent

 
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swhitebull       7/16/2009 3:32:26 PM















To quote Kaufman's speech made in the House
of Commons in April 2002


 


"It is time to remind Sharon that the
star of David belongs to all Jews, not to his repulsive Government. His actions
are staining the star of David with blood. The Jewish people, whose gifts to
civilised discourse include Einstein and Epstein, Mendelssohn and Mahler,
Sergei Eisenstein and Billy Wilder, are now symbolised throughout the world by
the blustering bully Ariel Sharon, a war criminal implicated in the murder of
Palestinians at the Sabra and Shatila camps and now involved in killing
Palestinians once again"


 


 


and in January 2009, during a speech to the
House of Commons he stated:


 


"The present Israeli government
ruthlessly and cynically exploits the continuing guilt from Gentiles over the
slaughter of Jews in the Holocaust as justification for their murder of
Palestinians."


Yes, exploiting present-day pacificism in britain for political gain and placating Muslims by banning PIGGY BANKS, banning the teaching of The Holocaust, etc etc etc ad nauseum is not cynical or based on fear, guilt and appeasement these days. We have our self-loathing Jews in the States as well - you know, the ones that claim absolute moral authority cards jsut because of their background and origins as jews - Norm Finkelstein - FORMER instructor at DePaul University - holocaust denier, antiSemite - and KAPO-in-training - is a descendant of Holocaust survivors, so is immune from wrong-thinking.
Yes, it's not like the Brits cynically slaughtered Irish, Scots, Welsh, or any numerous native populations in their colonies as justification for hanging onto their empire by conquest. I know, I know, the guilt thingie on the part of the Brits at their exploitation and suppression of indigenous populations in their quest for world dominance and attempts to impose thier cultural values on mere barbarians whose purpose was racially motivated and in poor taste is taken out of context. But it seems SO UNSEEMLY that a country such as Israel targets terrorists living among human shields -when you poor Brits read about it in your so-unbiased newspapers - can't have the British moral superiorty and sensibilities offended, you know. Such attacks look bad in the papers and upset the home population at their breakfasts. Tsk Tsk. Sniff.
 
 
swhitebull - i just LOVE this moral-equivalency crap coming out of the mouths of Euroweenies who woldnt ift a finger to defend themselves or fellow Europeans except when shamed into doing so (Bosnian muslims).. Next we can pretend that riots in the banlieus of Paris are just by misguided "youths," Jews arent afraid to walk in certain neighborhoods in London just cause they're Jewish, and that their isnt a rise in vile antiSemitism in Britain. I suggest you put your rose-colored glasses down and pick up a column by Melanie Philips and start reading.
 
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Scoobydo       7/16/2009 7:44:31 PM
"Uh, I was under the assumption that "the Jews" - ie  Irgun and Stern Gang underground - actually gave the Brits ample fair warning, that went unheeded, prior to the attack"

Then you would be factually wrong. 
 
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Scoobydo       7/16/2009 7:47:41 PM
"i just LOVE this moral-equivalency crap coming out of the mouths of Euroweenies who woldnt ift a finger to defend themselves or fellow Europeans except when shamed into doing so (Bosnian muslims)."
 
So it wouldn't be British soldiers fighting and dying in Afghanistan. 
 
Away you go and stop making up nonsense to massage your own outsized ego..
 
 
 
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Scoobydo       7/16/2009 7:50:20 PM

"I assume Hamburg and Dresden are the definitive statement of the British government with regard to bombing civilians"

 
I wouldn't try to defend area bombing of civilians. 
 
Many on this board would and do however try to defend area bombing of civilians by Israel.
 
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Scoobydo       7/16/2009 7:54:15 PM
"Next we can pretend that riots in the banlieus of Paris are just by misguided "youths," Jews arent afraid to walk in certain neighborhoods in London just cause they're Jewish, and that their isnt a rise in vile antiSemitism in Britain."
 
Duh, Jeralf Kaufman is a Jew.
 
It dodn't take long for someone to use the "Anti-Semitism" card. It is getting a bit old.
 
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swhitebull       7/16/2009 8:08:14 PM

"Uh, I was under the
assumption that "the Jews" - ie  Irgun and Stern Gang underground -
actually gave the Brits ample fair warning, that went unheeded, prior
to the attack"




Then you would be factually wrong. 

According to whom?  the british authorities who have an axe to grind?. There was a reason that Cyprus was labled Bevingrad, perhaps? Cause of the kindly treatment of Jews?
 
 I humbly suggest you read the actual documents of the time, telephone records, etc, as documented by Martin Creveld in his Olive and the Sword. the Irgun maintained that they gave ample warning to the british occupiers, who were NO darlings here, btw. Creveld - as I mentioned in my SP 2006 article, has looked at BOTH sides thoroughly, and comes to at best an ambiguous conclusion on this.
 
swhitebull
 
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swhitebull       7/16/2009 8:11:54 PM

"Next we can pretend that
riots in the banlieus of Paris are just by misguided "youths," Jews
arent afraid to walk in certain neighborhoods in London just cause
they're Jewish, and that their isnt a rise in vile antiSemitism in
Britain."

 

Duh, Jeralf Kaufman is a Jew.

 

It dodn't take long for someone to use the "Anti-Semitism" card. It is getting a bit old.



 
Crap weasel answer in an attempt to defend the indefensible - no surprise here. Byut if the antiSemitism card is old, its for a reason - IT IS OLD. as much as you would like to pretend it doesnt exist. And the fact the Kaufman is jewish doesnt excuse it - another old canard - trot out jews to speak against jews - theyre' called KAPOS.
 
 
swhitebull - only thing tiresome here is those of your ilk and thinking.
 
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