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German Troops Allowed To Fight

July 6, 2009: Germany has changed its ROE (Rules of Engagement) for its troops in Afghanistan. While the 3,400 German troops in Afghanistan have not been allowed to go looking for a fight, they were increasingly getting attacked by the Taliban, or whoever the bad guy is where the German troops are. That was because the Afghans were becoming aware of the German ROE, and taking advantage of it. But with five German soldiers killed in Afghanistan so far this year, compared to three for all of last year, the ROE was changed. German soldiers may now attack hostile forces, without waiting to be fired on first. The previous ROE also stipulated that German troops had to let the enemy go if the German troops were no longer being fired on.

While many Germans oppose the presence of their troops in Afghanistan, the restrictive ROEs had become a growing embarrassment. The thousands of German soldiers who had served in Afghanistan continued to complain about that when they returned home. And then there the growing number of soldiers coming back suffering from PTSD (post-traumatic stress disorder). Last year, 245 German soldiers, who had served in war zones (including Afghanistan), were classified as PTSD casualties. The year before, there were only 83 PTSD casualties. This causes stress. Just the thought of it can be stressful. In the last three years, some 62,000 German troops have been stationed in combat (or peacekeeping) zones, where they can be exposed to traumatic events.

The actual wording of the new ROE isn't that different, in order to make the changes more politically palatable at home. But the commanders in Afghanistan have been told that they can do whatever they need to do to accomplish their peacekeeping mission, and safeguard their own troops. That no longer includes trying to avoid contact with the enemy.

 

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Bob Cortez       7/6/2009 6:36:46 AM

Wonder what Gen Mc thinks about that? 

 
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Nasty German Idiot       7/6/2009 7:44:17 AM
German soldiers in Afghanistan will not be endangered anymore by mushy rules of engagement. The German Ministry of Defence has finally decided to adapt the ?rules of engagement? to the reality in Afghanistan, according to a report of weekly Der Spiegel. Until now, the use of firearms against individuals was only allowed when these individuals undertook an attack or their attack seemed to be imminent. Furthermore it was not allowed to open fire at individuals who had stopped their attack. The use of firearms was only lawful when other tools of force (like less-than-lethal physical violence) would not have led to the desired result. The clause "The use of deadly force is not authorized unless an attack is taking place or imminent" will be deleted now. Instead the RoE will read: "Counter measures can be adopted as soon as an attack is predictable" ,for example the sheer presence of hostile forces such as the Taliban. Up to now, the rules read that only "adequate use of military force" may be utilized. This clause will also be deleted and replaced with the word "offensive operation". Seemingly only a small difference, but a radical one in reality. The "use of military force for accomplishment of the own mission" will from now on be allowed even before the use of force for self defence. By that step, it will not be necessary anymore to announce the use of force - as the military maneuvre of an attack simply doesn't include any announcement. This does mean in practice that German troops in Afghanistan are now allowed to conduct offensive operations at the discretion of their own commanders. Gone are the days that German troops would have to play sitting ducks so they could engage the Taliban.
 
Green is old,   Red is now. 
 
 
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Nasty German Idiot       7/6/2009 10:13:40 AM
News from today:
 
Four foreign soldiers with Nato-led forces have been killed in a bomb blast in northern Afghanistan, officials say.

Afghan officials said the victims were US nationals but this was not immediately confirmed by the US military, the AFP news agency reports.

Earlier, at least two people were killed and many others wounded in a suicide bombing near a major Nato base in southern Afghanistan, officials say.

The attacker blew up his car at a checkpoint outside Kandahar airfield.
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RIP  
 
Der Spiegel reported these were US Police Mentors of the PTR Kunduz. They were killed when their vehicle passed a bridge that was blown up be Taliban near Kunduz. 
 
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Chris       7/6/2009 12:41:02 PM
This change is long overdue..
 
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Iconoclast1       7/7/2009 8:16:37 AM
Finally, I can't believe it took this long for the German's to get their act together. So far their presence in Afghanistan has been a complete sham, I was starting to wonder if Germany had become completely useless on the international stage.
 
 
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Nasty German Idiot       7/7/2009 4:13:19 PM
 
 
 
 
 
For the first time since World War II, Germany has officially honored the courage of its soldiers with a newly minted medal. On Monday, Chancellor Angela Merkel and Defense Minister Franz Josef Jung (both of the Christian Democratic Union) presented the award to four Bundeswehr sergeants who risked their lives to help wounded soldiers and children during a suicide attack in Afghanistan. 
 
 
 
 
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usajoe1    Germany is not pulling their weight.   7/7/2009 6:40:34 PM
Compared to the British and French the Germans have been involved in as much combat, because they stay away from the real dangerous places.
 
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usajoe1    Germany is not pulling their weight.   7/7/2009 6:41:36 PM
that should read have not!
 
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Nasty German Idiot       7/10/2009 11:06:04 AM
Spiegel online
German Troops Beef Up Fight against Taliban

By SPIEGEL Staff
Behind closed doors, the German government is slowly but surely changing the rules for combat on Afghanistan, allowing its forces to take a more offensive approach. At the same time, German popular support for the "war" that no one wants to call a war continues to decline.

"Every night, the soldiers leave the run-down police station in Chahar Darreh and head out in search of the enemy, passing through silent mountain villages in countryside crisis-crossed by two wide rivers and a multitude of smaller waterways..."

Part 2: 'We Will Strike Back with all Necessary Force'

"However soldiers in Kunduz told a different tale. "We will strike back with all necessary force," said Colonel Georg Klein, 48, commander of the field camp.
Combat has become routine for German soldiers stationed in Kunduz. After returning to the camp, the men mentioned their "TICs," or "troops in contact" (military jargon for enemy contact) almost casually. For them, requesting American "Reaper" drones to fire at booby traps is just common practice now..."
 
 
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cwDeici       7/10/2009 2:02:54 PM
Wow, this is amazing.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Yes, that was sarcasm.
 
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cwDeici       7/10/2009 2:12:55 PM
Anyway I'm glad running away has been disposed of, somewhat or mostly.
 
Germany has taken a step on its long road to realizing that fighting new Hitlers does not make them Hitlers again, to get over their embaressment that has led them and many other Europeans and Americans to a new form of sin - cowardice and omission.
 
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