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The Policeman Is Your Terrorist

July 10, 2009: Fatah, the Palestinian faction that controls the West Bank, recently broadcast a discussion featuring the former Palestinian Minister of Prisoners, Ashraf al Ajrami, who praised the Fatah security forces for their efforts during the  2000-5 Palestinian terror campaign against Israel. This campaign killed over a thousand Israelis, mostly civilians attacked by suicide bombers inside Israeli cities. Over 5,000 Palestinians died, as Israel sought out the terrorists and took apart their organization. This defeated the Palestinian terrorism operation by going after the leaders and technical personnel. The U.S. adopted that strategy to successfully shut down Iraqi terrorists by 2008.

Currently, an American training team is helping to rebuild the Fatah security forces, and the Palestinians openly admit that these men would be in the forefront when the next terrorism campaign against Israel gets started. Israel recently agreed to provide the new Fatah security force a thousand AK-47s. The Israelis are aware of Palestinian attitudes towards terrorism and their security forces. Many Israelis are fluent in Arabic, and can receive the Palestinian TV and radio broadcasts. But Israel is under a lot of pressure from the United States and Europe to make peace with the Palestinians, and to help Fatah maintain order in the West Bank.

 

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Bob Cortez       7/10/2009 8:00:53 AM
You really have it backwards.  The Israelis are under pressure, but the pressure goes with their own ideological bent and reinforces it.  You have to understand that the secular founders of Israel were hard, very hard left, which is one reason Stalin originally like them.
 
We also have to note that the Diaspora has the same views, and it would be politically dangerous to be more extrovert when your base is universalist, believing everything can be negotiated.  Between the two, Israel is contrained by political belief and I emphasis belief, rather than necessit;y.  I believe Nietzsche applies here: they are up for the deed but not the idea.
 
You guys talk Israel success, but it is not.  They can destroy the 'can' that is capacity to act, but have done nothing about the will to do so.  Thus even good plans are reduced to mere symbolic display or 'Flower Wars' if you will, that change nothing except to train enemies.
 
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Headlock       7/10/2009 1:10:18 PM

You guys talk Israel success, but it is not.  They can destroy the 'can' that is capacity to act, but have done nothing about the will to do so.  Thus even good plans are reduced to mere symbolic display or 'Flower Wars' if you will, that change nothing except to train enemies.

Its hardly an ineffective Flower War if youre security forces successfully deal with and destroy a suicide campaign (the second intifada). 

The aztec "flower wars" were not ineffective, synbollic, basically bloodless jhousting,a s your comments seem derivitive of. It was full blown warfare, with serious, bloody tactics worked out on opposing sides. When cortez invaded with his pitiful little band they eventually used thousands upon thousands of mesoamerican allies in order to fight the aztecs. The battles were Not bloodless, and the allies Cortez used were very familiar with large scale warfare. 

The "flower combat" is misleading to many westerners, who equate flowers with softness, symbolism, decoration etc. It was still full-on, 1v1 combat, and the loser knew full well that if he lost and was captured then his living heart was going to be torn out of his chest by the priests. I doubt very very much that that was not an incentive to make CERTAIN you werent captutred. And how do you do that? By fighting as hard as you can. Symbolism was a big part of the Flower combat, but in the end taking a prisoner for sacrifice was the aim, not simply looking good on the battlefield.

True israel has not had much success changing the "will" of the palestinians. But, Israel doesnt even need to try. All it needs to do is secure its own borders, and the massive success of its defense, security and intellgence forces and agencies over the alst 50+ years has done that. Im no apologist for the Israelis, i disagree with the vast amjority of their polices and tactics, but in the end Israel is secure - and thats all that matters to Israelis.

And read something other than Nietsche for heavens sake.
 
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