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Do Whatever It Takes, We'll Punish You Later

September 2, 2009: Many politicians in Washington, and outside the U.S., are becoming nervous about how the new Democratic administration is planning to prosecute members of the previous Republican administration for supporting torture, and other policies developed during counter-terror operations. A growing number of politicians (from both parties) and government officials (both former, current and potential) see this as a move that could cripple government, now, and in the future (with an endless round of prosecutions). The Attorney General has announced that CIA operatives and supervisors will be investigated, and prosecuted if they are found to have committed acts that are now considered illegal.

It's one thing to go after politicians and officials for crimes like theft, lying and revealing classified information. But in this case, the investigations and prosecutions are over transgressions that are mainly a matter of faith, not fact. Take, for example, torture. During the last eight years, it became the conventional wisdom among Democrats that torture didn't work. This was absurd, as a cursory glance at the history of World War II, and every war before or since, would reveal. Pundits pointed out that tortured people will tell you anything. Again, this displayed an amazing ignorance of intelligence tradecraft. While some people will tell you anything when tortured, a lot of people will also provide useful information that can be double checked. It's not like the movies, where everything depends on the painful pronouncements of one tortured individual. The reality was that using "vigorous interrogation" brought forth much useful information, always has, and always will. Intelligence is all about putting together lots of small pieces. That's why U.S. operatives are taught how to resist torture. Yes, there are individuals who can outsmart, or outlast, torture. But they are always a minority. It's a war of numbers, and something that doesn't make for exciting soundbites.

What worries more thoughtful politicians is that, if you can be prosecuted for things that opposition politicians believed, mostly as a matter of faith, why get involved at all? This is all part of an ideological battle that has been going on over espionage and intelligence work since World War II. Lots of myths were turned into facts, and ideology became more important than the truth. For example, over the last three decades, the CIA has come under a lot of criticism for not being able to do their job. That has often been true, and the main reason is the climate of fear (of prosecution for something later declared politically incorrect). As a result, intelligence operatives and their bosses see survival as a matter of not taking chances. The safest thing for CIA operatives to do is nothing. Even with politicians, and the public calling for, "something to be done" after a major terrorist attack, the people in the front line at the intelligence agencies are going to think twice before they do anything, and be cautious to a deadly fault.

The most spectacular recent example of this was the failure to spot the terrorist operation that led to the September 11, 2001 attacks. While much blame was justifiably heaped on the FBI, it was the CIA that had first detected the plotters, and was already under orders to stop al Qaeda attempts to make more attacks on the United States. All this began a decade earlier, when al Qaeda damaged New York City's World Trade Center in 1993 bombing. The 2001 attacks did not come out of nowhere. But the CIA had problems at the top (where decisions about what leads to pursue, how, and to what extent all this is shared with the FBI), and at the bottom (and the inability to infiltrate al Qaeda.)

At the same time, other intelligence agencies, like Britain's MI-6 and the Israeli Mossad are much better at gathering information at ground level. They, like most nations, recognize that intelligence operations can get dirty. It's all a matter of how important the intelligence is. The British attitude is that, if you need to do this, do it right, and don't dwell on it. So Britain does have agents with a "license to kill" and, more importantly, laws protecting these men and women from any later prosecution for dirty deeds they were asked to do for Queen and Country. But in the United States, the CIA was held to a different (often changing) standard, and was still expected to get the job done. This approach did not work.

Despite all the post-911 talk about "more aggressive intelligence operations" to prevent more attacks, the atmosphere inside the CIA discouraged any such thing. All this was largely the result of the CIA being put into a sort of semi-hibernation in the late 1970s. This was an aftereffect of the Church Committee, an investigative operation sponsored by Congress, that sought to reform the CIA. The reforms were mainly about eliminating CIA spying inside the United States, and doing stuff for the president that Congress did not approve of. There was also a desire to avoid any CIA connection with foreign unpleasantness (like using unsavory people as spies or informants). This led to a growing list of restrictions on what the CIA could do overseas, and at home.

Congress was out to make sure no future president (the CIA works for the president) could use the CIA as had been done during the Vietnam war, and before. The CIA interpreted this as "no more James Bond stuff," just use your spy satellites and write up your reports. The Church Committee insured that the CIA became a much less interesting place to work. A lot of the most capable people got out over the next two decades. Recruiting became difficult. Word got around that the daring need not apply.

But after September 11, 2001, the CIA was tossed a huge pile of money and told to staff up and get going. The Church Committee restrictions were largely, if not completely, discarded. Recruiting efforts were greatly expanded, and since September 11, 2001, several hundred thousand applications were received. The agency has had a hard time keeping up with that.

This created some interesting personnel problems, especially in the operations division (the people who go to foreign countries and, well, sometimes do James Bond stuff.) There were few people left in the agency that remembered how to do field ops the old school way. By late 2001, many recently retired field ops guys were being lured back to active duty. You now had a situation where the field ops population was like a cross between a college fraternity and retirement community. There are few people in the middle, age and experience wise. It's almost as bad in the analysis division (where the data is studied and reports prepared.)

The area of the CIA that has flourished in the last three decades has been the geek side of things. These folks were always flush, thanks to a Congress that felt safer with spy satellites, than with spies on the ground. But those days are over. Much of the new technology is going to the analysts (better computerized tools to dig quickly through information) and the field operatives (like Predator UAVs, at over ten million bucks each.) A lot of money is going into training (learning Arabic, Pushto, Farsi and Dari are encouraged, and sometimes demanded) and the use of consultants (often former CIA operatives who would not come back full time.)

But after a few years, the Church Committee atmosphere began returning. The major issue was the use of torture to extract information from terrorist suspects. The new Church Committee-like restrictions outlawed things like the use of contractors for interrogations (even if there were no other source of experienced manpower to do the job in time), the use of foreign nations to provide the "vigorous interrogation", the detention of foreigners without giving them access to the U.S. criminal justice system, and many more items that most CIA officials know, from their own experience, will only get Americans killed.

So how does the United States gather needed intelligence? It does it in secret (from many in Congress and, most of all, the media). The other intelligence agencies, like the DIA (Defense Intelligence Agency) are being allowed to run with these operations. Of course, everyone understands that they could still be hung out to dry down the road. But there are more bosses in the DIA (compared to the CIA) that are willing to back up their operatives (some of whom will get screwed down the road, which is accepted as a risk of the job). Another solution is to outsource many intel operations. The men and women who work for contractors are working without a net (of full U.S. government backing, both diplomatically and militarily). Not all these operatives are even American, but they will do it for a combination of money, adventure, personal beliefs and some assurances that America will provide some support if things get nasty (if only to retrieve the information the agents have obtained.)

The CIA lost its soul, it's heart, and most of its guts, in the late 1970s. Lots of brains are left, with big budgets to buy all manner of neat technology. But the bosses live in fear of grandstanding politicians and headline hungry journalists. While the British, the Israelis, and most other nations, have managed to capture and retain the ability to do street level intelligence, the CIA has not. It now serves mainly to draw fire, while other organizations get the job done.

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Bob Cortez       9/2/2009 8:13:54 AM
What makes our leaders think that the people involved will tamely all themselves to be witch-fodder or fish-food?
 
In the past, they got one person say Duane Hammond: he wrote an interesting book to pay his legal fees, as have others.
 
Now you have many people involved, some pretty junior who are really on their own.  What happens if they compare notes and decide that their trouble are malicious in intent?  Beyond their training, I doubt that many have qualms about necessary action. 
 
If Justice runs wild, then they may find, as many bureaucrates in Europe have, that there can be costs to using the state for purely political purposes.  I remind you of the case of the West German bureaucrat who oversaw, for a brief time, the privatization of industries in the east, after unification.
 
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Chris       9/2/2009 12:42:23 PM
During the last eight years, it became the conventional wisdom among Democrats that torture didn't work
 
Not entirely true.  The JCS recommended (when asked by the G W Bush Administration) that the US not resort to "enhanced interrogation techniques" because in their opinion, the quality of the information gathered was more often than not of questionable value.  Furthermore, they were deeply reluctant to open the door for an adversary to torture US personnel that ended up as POWs.  So it was "conventional wisdom" of our nations highest military leadership (let alone the Democrats, whom the Bush Administration could've cared less about) that the administration failed to heed.
 
Now that said, the business of intelligence gathering often requires that you do business with some pretty nasty people.  The old saying was to the effect of: "he might be an SOB, but at least he's our SOB..."  The left-and-right-wing-nuts need to be curbed because it is clear that: Being nice to everyone doesn't work; and, being completely immoral/unprincipaled and/or lowering yourself to the standards used by Al Queda or the Taliban makes you no better than they are.  I cannot judge where the line needs to be drawn w/r/t how and who we collect information from - but the excesses that we have been prone to in the past (and the subseqent rules prohibiting these excesses) were put there for a reason and signed into law - with participation from both sides of the aisle.  But this nation has a tendancy to overreact when a wrong is discovered - and we need to be mindful of overcorrecting when a transgression is detected so that we don't prevent the business of intelligence from performing the task they are assigned - or getting the results we need.
 
 
 
 
 
 
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SOP919F3       9/2/2009 2:55:33 PM
So when Chris stands on the top of the next "WTC" tower burning out of control, I look forward to his superior pontification (via Twitter) about how the attack (soon to incinerate his body) was caused by past interrogation methods - how idiotic.  These are religious fanatics who just want you, an infidel, dead!  Islam has been at war with the world for 1300 years EXCEPT with countries that could and would exercise greater violence against it.    That is exactly why we have been safe for the last 8 years.  It's WAR and not supposed to be pretty and packaged in neat little containers that you could label "rated G".  If you still don't get it, walk down the street at 2 am in any major slum/ghetto and when thugs approach you - tell then that you love them.   We'll read about your brilliance in the police blotter.
 
As far as the CIA's problems, maybe we really DO need to demand background checks, combined with drug and alcohol test for politicians BEFORE giving them Secret Clearances - including this president.  Follow it up with random drug/alcohol test to stay qualified.  After all, anyone (civilian/military) WORKING with or for the government are required to pass BI's and drug test. 
 
Now since I know I will be slammed by those who say that "of course" they do check all politicians - Special Agent-in-Charge: C. Frank Figliuzzi of the Cleveland FBI disagrees with you.   According to agent Figliuzzi, "background checks are not performed on those elected, once elected they work for Congress and are handed a secret clearance."  So anyone with any background could run for office unless challenged BY CITIZENS.  It is up to the voters to say no to those with seedy backgrounds, not a government agency.

Read the stunned DJ's interview: h**p://citizenwells.wordpress.com/2008/09/20/philip-j-berg-lawsuit-obamacrimescom-colb-update-comments-insights-fbi-response-special-agent-in-charge-background-checks-elected-officials-american-political-process-berg-website-comments/
 
 
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Photon       9/2/2009 3:59:28 PM
A few months ago, when there was a similar post regarding politicians + mass media vs. intel community, I posted a comment which went something like:
 
I think intel organizations should be modeled like the Federal Reserve.  Update:  There is another federal-level organization that also has considerable autonomy, which is the Supreme Court.  In both cases, only the appointment of top officials are subject to the legislative branch.  Meanwhile, both of them perform only as well as they are shielded from the legislative, as well as the executive, interference.  I categorize the intel communities to the likes of the Fed and the Supreme Court, because all of them will run impaired if they have to second-guess politicians and the mass media too much.  I have emphasized the Fed in particular, also because the Fed also contributes to national-level intel in the forms of releasing economic outlooks, monthly and quarterly national economic performance, and so on.
 
A looser categorization would also involve university research faculties and labs:  They also suffer if they get stuffed by politicians and mass media.  In this case, they mitigate mass media through professional journals.  (And mass media is smart enough not to bother them too much since the former have very shallow understanding of anything technical.)
 
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timon_phocas       9/2/2009 4:20:50 PM
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The CIA lost its soul, it's heart, and most of its guts, in the late 1970s. 
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Frank Church used his intelligence hearings as a launch vehicle for his presidential asperations. He hoped to cash in on public outrage to fuel his entry into the 1976 presidential campaign. He died of cancer before the primaries, but the media transmuted his disastrous hearings into a glorious triumph where intrepid liberals reined in nefarious evildoers in the intelligence establishment. We've been saddled with this fairy-tale understanding ever since
 
And we've paid the price ever since.  
 
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jak267       9/2/2009 10:00:04 PM
This doesn't have anything to do with torture. The Left has built its entire political platform on a paranoid fear of the military and intelligence services as a way to justify isolationism as their basic foreign policy - and in so doing divert those resources to their social programs.
 
Obama, Pelosi, Holder - and Gates - won't rest until they have completely crippled US foreign policy.
 
A lot more Americans are going to die.
 
 
 
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davidhughes       9/3/2009 1:15:30 AM
This kind of political screed has no place in and sullies the proud objectivity of Strategy Page. If I really wanted to listen to such unobjective comments I could do so at Fox News or, were I a liberal, at the Huffington Post. Your analyses are normally so acute and the evaluations and conclusions so balanced that I was shocked to find such immature trivia masquerading as news.
 
Apart from its bias it is riddled with inaccuracies and assumptions, some of which totter on the edge of juvenile simplicity: Just to clarify a few on which I have personal knowledge (I pass on those on which I have only an opinion); the British and French subordinate services can indeed execute (but only on the direct approval of the Prime Minister), they have no such authorisation to torture; your comment on torture 'being effective in World War Two is pure speculation, fuelled I suspect by your desperate need to link Democrats with failure.
 
Perhaps you should (hopefully in a future and more valuable 'editorial') distinguish between the punishment of those who commit acts authorised by superiors and the punishment of the superior. This was the principal premise of distinction at Nuremberg and as far as I am aware the Justice Department of the United States is operating in this manner. 
 
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trenchsol       9/3/2009 9:29:40 AM
I think that there is a problem with legal system in US. It puts too much public scrutiny on secret services. I don't know, but I think that it all started after president Nixon. One can't let secret services operate out of control, because they might abuse power. On the other hand, too much scrutiny would cripple and make them ineffective. Those things need to be carefully balanced. Secret services are supposed to be  "secret" as their name suggests, they should not be transparent.
 
There are multiple priorities in modern society, like economy, national security, foreign relations, etc. They need to be handled and balanced. Human rights and freedom of the press are not the only things out there to be taken care of.  
 
DG

 
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chrism101       9/4/2009 9:33:26 AM
I am certain, when the current policies of the Obama Administration, carry over through out the Future, that you will see alot more of the CIA folks sitting out on the sidelines for Fear of prosecution.
 
This in effect will place us in a far weaker state than that of 9/11/01.
 
The fight will come to our cities and towns and you will awaken to subway bombings and bus loads of school children dead in our own country.
 
Not even a full year of his term has passed and you start to see things that will harm the country for years to come:
 
He has effectively neutered the CIA, as well as the American commanders in Afghanistan and Iraq.
He is appointing a multitude of radical ideologists to "CZAR" positions.
He is pointing to any opposition as Racial base, when it truly is not.
ACORN and SEIU union thugs harrassing the opposition.
Calling pretty much any conservatives Right Wing Terrorists, which is where he will begin to move his focus to.
 
He is going to create a Civillian Force of the same size as the military? what the Gestapo... KGB... Secret Police.. And why?
 
The future is not going to be very bright for all of those trapped under this dark cloud.
 
 
 
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trenchsol       9/4/2009 11:25:05 AM
KSM & waterboarding seem to be hot topics today. I don't think that it is the key question. The key question is who is supposed to know the details, like the KSM's whereabouts in the period between arrest and trial, the interrogation methods, and, finally, what he disclosed. I believe that access to all that information should have been limited to very close circle of people. It is making headlines, instead.
 
DG
 
 
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Photon       9/6/2009 2:49:25 PM
The polticization of intel is not a whole lot different from similarly talk-rich (but substance-poor) issues like Israel vs. Palestine, War on Terror.
 
This is where the same old crap keeps on getting churned over and over again:
 
1.  Our politicians and opinion-makers have been far removed from the reality of world outside their own petty affluent neighbors and clubs.  They mostly deal with their equally decadent foreign counterparts.  They certainly do not spend time dealing with prisoners and they most definitely do not spend time collecting and figuring out information.
 
2.  By definition, politicians and opinion-makers have the 'final say' over many different issues, even if they do not know a whole lot about specific issues like intel, waging war, and economics.  In other words, everything else being equal, these imbeciles look better (and thus look and sound more authoritive) on camera than soldiers and academics.
 
3.   But these pompous crap-talkers do not originate from vacuum.  It takes two to tango together.  How about their constituents and average voters?  These two groups are not better informed than their representatives.  Meanwhile, their constituents do not include intel and soldier types. 
 
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